2025 - the US of E

westernpromise

ilovehouses wrote: »

I didn't much worry about it because I see the chances of a USE as being close to zero.

The trouble is that all previous EU integrations have followed the same path of

- it will never happen, it's just someone thinking aloud
- only Britain objects
- it's all now been debated and you lost
- it's too late now and it's a done deal

The "it'll never happen" phase is designed to ensure that opposition never bothers to mobilise, so that in due course, it can be argued that nobody disagreed.

mayonnaise

Carl31 wrote: »

are you behind the Us of E idea? taking on the Euro etc..?

No, I'm not behind the USE idea. As there's absolutely no chance of it happening, there's nothing to get behind anyway.

As for the Euro, we were not in the Euro, there was no chance of us ever willingly adopting the Euro and nobody was ever going to force us into the Euro.
Again a non-story designed only to scaremonger the gullible. And it worked.

westernpromise

ilovehouses wrote: »

You make it sound as if half a dozen blokes plan these integrations and just get them through on the sly.

Despite all of the previous integrations the EU still remains a club of 28 sovereign nations just one parliamentary vote from leaving.

If you're in a club and you don't think you're getting value (financial or otherwise) you just leave don't you?

That's more or less how it does work. The EU is France and Germany. With the removal of the veto, nobody can change its course; you can only leave, which is designed to be progressively more painful and costly, and presumably eventually impossible.

The similarities with the USSR shouldn't be overstated but they do exist. I think the problem for the UK with the EU is that Europeans have spent the last 400 years invading and despoiling each other, and see union as the way to prevent it, whereas we see the RAF and the RN as the way to prevent it.

Thrugelmir

Carl31 wrote: »

I dont think many people knew about it at the time of the referendum?

Much in the same way that don't understand the danger that Corbyn holds in store. All there in black and white if one is actually interested. The majority aren't. Well not at least until it impacts them personally.

Herzlos

Not that I can see a superstate happening, but the idea concerns me a lot less than brexit.

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

No, I'm not behind the USE idea. As there's absolutely no chance of it happening, there's nothing to get behind anyway.

As for the Euro, we were not in the Euro, there was no chance of us ever willingly adopting the Euro and nobody was ever going to force us into the Euro.
Again a non-story designed only to scaremonger the gullible. And it worked.

Why do you say this?

I think we must remember that Brexit could be seen as an opportunity for some EU politicians as well.

There are no doubt other tensions and power plays within the EU zone.

There may not be one large US of E, but I can certainly see a tiered, 2-speed EU, based around the Euro and other common themes.

Brexit may give them the rallying cry they need to push ahead with what they may consider much needed reforms.

steampowered

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

It wasn't announced, but it was the intention from the start of the common market, just that countries that joined were told to keep it quiet from the populace to avoid anyone noticing until it was too late to get out.

Presumably you are privy to some top secret classified information, that the rest of us are missing out on?

Who exactly do you think it is that has the secret "intention" you describe? The Illuminati?

Arklight

The Europeans are committed to ever closer union and there will be a US of Europe in our lifetimes (well, the lifetimes of most Remain voters anyway) don't worry about that.


The UK will probably end up like Puerto Rico.

michaels

Arklight wrote: »

The Europeans are committed to ever closer union and there will be a US of Europe in our lifetimes (well, the lifetimes of most Remain voters anyway) don't worry about that.


The UK will probably end up like Puerto Rico.

Great, I will stock up on sun cream and do some Salsa classes

Carl31

mayonnaise wrote: »

No, I'm not behind the USE idea. As there's absolutely no chance of it happening, there's nothing to get behind anyway.

As for the Euro, we were not in the Euro, there was no chance of us ever willingly adopting the Euro and nobody was ever going to force us into the Euro.
Again a non-story designed only to scaremonger the gullible. And it worked.

Well OK, but you probably didn't expect the referendum vote either

Juncker did stand up the day after Article 50 was invoked and state that the ever closer union is their plan and what the intentions were, it would be quite hard not to follow that through