Neighbours seeking planning for extension with new party wall

Doozergirl

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

That is true - but we mustnt assume the plants are "bog standard - no problems to get - no sentimental attachments".

Sometimes the plants people have in their gardens are ones that have been difficult to source or do have sentimental attachments (mothers favourite rose - which she gave to them or the like).

All the more reason not to grow stuff like that up someone else’s fence, within yards of the their house. Sentimental roses can’t take precence over everyone’s right to extend their home.

Almost all off us are granted the right to extend and so it would be prudent to anticipate rather than get possessive when people exercise that.

Nadeshkarine

lincroft1710 wrote: »

3. A property has the potential to be a dream or near perfect home if it was altered or extended and meets other criteria

Virtually every house I've lived in has been extended either during or after my occupation. On the estate I live you count the houses without extensions. Much, much quicker!

Yes in this case I think it is this, the house is very large (5 bedroom) but this extension is the usual side return extension to increase the kitchen space. Which I admit is an appealing extension, but it's a shame how close these houses are and outdoor space really is a premium.

Doozergirl wrote: »

All the more reason not to grow stuff like that up someone else’s fence, within yards of the their house. Sentimental roses can’t take precence over everyone’s right to extend their home.

Almost all off us are granted the right to extend and so it would be prudent to anticipate rather than get possessive when people exercise that.

True, but it's a shared fence and if they didn't grow anything within yards of the neighbour's house, that garden would be barren! These pretty much are those small L shaped gardens you get in a block of terraces, a few metres wide and deep. The previous neighbours had been there decades with both sides growing items up to and on the fence.

I wonder if they will begin to limit to extending on gardens in cities - feel like all these extensions and paving are storing up a lot of drainage issues for the future.

moneyistooshorttomention

No-one has a "right" to an extension - they may have a "wish" to and that's somewhat different.

Yep...I do know just how narrow these side returns can be anyway. Some of these courtyard gardens are so small that yes...an owner will use their "right" to put in plants right up to the edge.

Davesnave

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

No-one has a "right" to an extension - they may have a "wish" to and that's somewhat different.

It's the middle of the night and I'm not at my brightest, but it seems to me that permitted development guidelines and planning conditions define what someone can do with their property.

These rules define what someone may build as an extension as of right, without reference to others, and what needs further scrutiny.

In the case under discussion, PP is being applied-for, so it seems the applicants have looked at the rules and concluded that they have no automatic right to extend in the manner they've planned.

However, that such rights exist, is beyond doubt.

moneyistooshorttomention

There's legal "ability" to do so and a (moral) "right" (or otherwise) to do so.

Doozergirl

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

No-one has a "right" to an extension - they may have a "wish" to and that's somewhat different.

Yep...I do know just how narrow these side returns can be anyway. Some of these courtyard gardens are so small that yes...an owner will use their "right" to put in plants right up to the edge.

They are formally called “Permitted Development Rights”.

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200187/your_responsibilities/37/planning_permission/2

Of course people have the right to plant where they wish, but they need to be aware of other people’s legal Rights too and that those will take precedent over a sentimental rose bush for all the right (moral) reasons!

Just because you sit on one side of the (literal) fence and feel like it’s all a purposeful invasion, it does not make the other side wrong.

theonlywayisup

Lacuna wrote: »

SPAM

Not getting the message yet?

moneyistooshorttomention

Sounds like a valid post imo - not spam.

DaftyDuck

No, money, he's raking up all the ancient posts on party wall surveyors to promote a business/marketing interest, including threads a year old and resolved.

As spammy as a 1970's comedy sketch set in a spam-serving restaurant, singing about spam, whilst waving spam fritters around.

His very name defines his usefulness to the forum!

Oh, and I suspect you wouldn't agree with him, if you check his links out!

Edit...
Now he's raking them up from the DIY forum!

teneighty

It is a shame that someone who would appear to have links with a Party Wall association (I've never heard of them) doesn't spend more time trying to help with queries rather than spamming lots of old threads.