Wouod universal Credit know I have a job?

Userbame5000

I do appreciate that it might be breaking the law, to the letter, and I am not asking anyone to advise me to do si chug a thing. But anybody who learned empathy growing up can see the moral dilemma I am faced with. If UC stops my benefit on day 1, I would go 2 months without the means to eat or travel to and from work... So I de facto become a further burden on the already precarious public finances. Neither is appealing.

I do not wish to keep any monies not due to me. Hence why I ask how the process works. Does UC know I am in work and therefore simply take the benefit from me, no questions asked. Or do I have to inform DWP after my first salary, that I wish to repay this month benefits I am not eligible for?

sangie595

Userbame5000 wrote: »

Hi,

Not if I'm required to pay it back I wouldn't. I do not wish to be subbed.

If my choice is getting royally shafted by an inflexible system or breaking the law to the letter (not necessarily to spirit if I have no intention of doing anything but pay it back straight away), then it is a moral dilemma and not a simple case of doing the right or wrong thing. I have *no* intention of keeping any monies I am not due. None.

No it isn't an moral dilemma. It's a LEGAL dilemma. You either break the law or you don't. There's no high horse there - just facts. Ask your employer for a sub if you need money. Don't lie to the benefits system. If you do, you will deserve whatever consequences you get.

Userbame5000

It is clearly not a legal dilemma. The law is black and white on the issue. If I start this job then I will have to break the law. There is no dilemma as to whether it is illegal. It is a moral dilemma to wilfully break the law against going back to work.

If I tell UC now, my benefits stop and I cannot start this job. End of. It will be two months til I see my first months salary. I want to receive UC in my first month at work and stop before my first salary comes in. I am asking whether DWP will know I have a job even before I get paid from it.

gettingtheresometime

Userbame5000 wrote: »

It is clearly not a legal dilemma. The law is black and white on the issue. If I start this job then I will have to break the law. There is no dilemma as to whether it is illegal. It is a moral dilemma to wilfully break the law against going back to work.

If I tell UC now, my benefits stop and I cannot start this job. End of. It will be two months til I see my first months salary. I want to receive UC in my first month at work and stop before my first salary comes in. I am asking whether DWP will know I have a job even before I get paid from it.

When do you start working & what date of the month is pay day?

Userbame5000

Hi. I would start 1 January. First pay would be last working day which is 31 March.

I have NO intention of receiving pay AND benefit. I simply want UC at end of this month, December and February. Stopping the claim at the beginning of March BEFORE I receive my first salary. This might be technically illegal but I am certainly not looking to receive benefits ontop of wages as the rather silly person abive can't seem to get his/her head around.

The moral dilemma concerns not playing by the book, rather than looking to screw taxpayers. Such people I have no time for.

Userbame5000

Sorry. First pay would be 28 February.

I wouod therefore seek UC in November, December and January.

***CORRECTION****

gettingtheresometime

I have to admit I don't understand why you would have to wait that long to be paid....the longest I would expect to wait would be a month. So in your case, I would expect to be paid at the end of January

Are you sure your dates are right?

If your offer letter is saying you work a month in hand or arrears that means you'd be paid at the end of January for work done in January

Userbame5000

Positive. I have asked for clarity and yes, a month in hand. I used to work for carphone warehouse, many moons ago, and it was a month in hand there too. Whilst a minority of cases it is certainly not uncommon. And is wholly immoral. But working is a bigger issue. In this neck of the woods, there aren't exactly many jobs going (I do not live in a city or close to one), And the question still remains as to whether the DWP will know I have started job before I get my first payment

sangie595

Userbame5000 wrote: »

It is clearly not a legal dilemma. The law is black and white on the issue. If I start this job then I will have to break the law. There is no dilemma as to whether it is illegal. It is a moral dilemma to wilfully break the law against going back to work.

If I tell UC now, my benefits stop and I cannot start this job. End of. It will be two months til I see my first months salary. I want to receive UC in my first month at work and stop before my first salary comes in. I am asking whether DWP will know I have a job even before I get paid from it.

You are being disingenuous, There is no law against going back to work. Moral or otherwise. Whether you choose to lie to the DWP, now that is down to you. And if you lie, then the consequences are yours to bear. It isn't "technically illegal" to claim benefits that you are not entitled to. It is actually illegal. And if you think I am "silly" then what are you??? A criminal and a liar? You need to tell the Benefits Office the truth, and you need to discuss your situation with your employer. You won't be the first person to ask for a sub on your wages. You won't be the last. But there is no excuse for lying to the DWP and committing a criminal act.

sangie595

Userbame5000 wrote: »

Positive. I have asked for clarity and yes, a month in hand. I used to work for carphone warehouse, many moons ago, and it was a month in hand there too. Whilst a minority of cases it is certainly not uncommon. And is wholly immoral. But working is a bigger issue. In this neck of the woods, there aren't exactly many jobs going (I do not live in a city or close to one), And the question still remains as to whether the DWP will know I have started job before I get my first payment

FACT - YES! Live updates on HMRC records mean they will find out. It might be a couple of months before they catch up - but catch up they will. You are asking us to tell you to do something ILLEGAL. Which bit of FRAUD isn't clear?