Elite 11+ shopping and chat thread part 2½

davemorton

My, thats a lovely vest her dad is wearing :eek:

TrulyMadly

I must remember not to reply to this massage:rotfl:

TrulyMadly

davemorton wrote: »

My, thats a lovely vest her dad is wearing :eek:

Don't know what you are watching but remember that the bodyguard starts at 9:)

Think I'll have a quick cuppa if anyone fancies one

davemorton

TrulyMadly wrote: »

Did you buy the house next door then?

Nope, there is something up with it, 3 sales have fell through, so the survey must be bringing something up, went for one even further away from the pub than my last one

TrulyMadly wrote: »

Don't know what you are watching but remember that the bodyguard starts at 9:)

Think I'll have a quick cuppa if anyone fancies one

X factor.
Not been watching bodyguard.

Savvybuyer

TrulyMadly wrote: »

Lovely scamps:)

They aren't quite the cheapest yet :rotfl:

They never said they were, just "even lower prices".
What I think people generally don't realise is that A could often work out slightly cheaper than Aldi and Lidl, but only on the APG against an APG competitor who may be a bit cheaper than A even if slightly more expensive than Aldi or Lidl (Aldi and Lidl since Aldi seems to change its price to match Lidl whenever Lidl does and vice versa- eveytime I go into Lidl and see a price cut, I think "must have been forced to do so by Aldi":rotfl:, if I'm at Aldi and prices have gone down or up:(, Lidl must have been responsible.)

After the APG goes, now we can't get cheaper than Aldi/Lidl, that seems to mean we are off to buy from Aldi/Lidl, unless A really does lower its prices to be cheaper. More likely, of course, since they need to make some money, not all prices will come down - the price of everything won't reduce, but just some items, which we may buy, and the rest (subect to travelling costs/time etc.) from somewhere else that has other items on offer.

I think on the questions (https://www.asdapriceguarantee.co.uk/#read_more), they contradict themselves:

"Is this because you're more expensive than Aldi and Lidl?"
"Not at all..." they start off saying.

Then they say "We're continuing to close the price gap on the discounters...". If they aren't more expensive than Aldi and Lidl, why do they need to "continu[e] to close" the price gap? Continue to close - suggests they have not yet closed. In other words, they must be more expensive than Aldi and Lidl as, otherwise, if they were not, the price gap would have been closed already and, at that point, cease to be any need to close the gap, let alone "continue" to do so. The price gap is not closed - they are continuing the task, they suggest, of doing so. Perhaps they will be continuing for years to come and never finish doing so:rotfl:. They haven't said they are closing the price gap, but instead are a further step away and are "continuing" to close it. However, I suspect that, even though in written form that could be thought about in advance and not off-the-cuff speech, whoever wrote it hasn't thought enough for me about what they have then said and I am picking on a tiny word again, like the word "continuing".

Eventually, at some point, if you write to me, you will tie yourself in a knot as I will pick on some tiny word you used that wasn't quite completely accurate and correct and you didn't word what you said properly and entirely consistently with everything else said. At that point, you'll be left having to admit that you didn't mean one of the words that you said. I am annoyingly right like that:rotfl:. People will say something, to describe what their policy is, and then I will come back with a full copy of the policy and point out that it doesn't actually say what they have said it does - instead they have written (when the other person, the person that wrote the policy did so) something else, that maybe they didn't mean or does not conform to the way things are being done in practice.

I think the point about Aldi/Lidl is that the guarantee does not apply/never applied to Aldi/Lidl and people think it's being scrapped because A has no hope of being as cheap as Aldi/Lidl. (Except that Aldi/Lidl can, depending on what you are buying, be pretty expensive places to shop:rotfl:.)

Mr A also accepts that Aldi/Lidl are "discounters", a common perception, that helps those two stores, that I don't accept:rotfl:. So, in a way, A is actually helping Aldi and Lidl by accepting, or acknowledging, that they are discounters.

I suppose, however, there is no point disagreeing with, or trying to challenge, common perceptions as people will then not believe what you are saying - or you won't be able to convince them that something other than what is the common perception, that they themselves therefore likely believe, is correct. I guess I am looking at it in my different way - in doing so, I am not reading Mr A's answers in the way that most people would and it's those people and not me, that Mr A is trying to convince or persuade, assuming they even read the questions and answers which, as fewer than 1% use the system, I suspect will not - as ever will be bored as boring by anything except small talk conversation. Things, just like advertising, have to be addressed in the way that most people will be persuaded by - fortunately therefore (as regards failure to persuade me and therefore my money-saving by rejecting the message of advertsing which tries to get us to spend more) I see it differently, as a minority perception, someone who has autism, and it's not as effective with me. (The moment I think it is not effective, they have won as advertising is even more effective in persuading you if you don't think it does. You don't even realise you are being persuaded. So, I must be on my guard!:D:rotfl:) They have to address things in the way the vast majority of people will perceive them as that is the audience. I did not realise, until the last few years, that apparently I see things differently from most people. I see things how I see them (and, subject to my changing views, that are stubbornly resistant and incalcitrant to any change when they are right but yield easily the moment it becomes clear to me I am wrong, are how I have always seen things) and I assumed that, apart from obviously differences in opinions and political affiliation or leaning, everyone saw things the same way as me (:doh:).

tweets

TrulyMadly wrote: »

23p glasses and cheap teapot owl thingys

I got one of those owl thingies but mines a coffee holder

Savvybuyer

Of course, from one perspective, me being completely objective and impartial again, I haven't said that Aldi and Lidl are not discounters, merely that I don't accept that they are. The onus is on those saying that they are, or describing them in such a way, as with any claim, to show it to be true. It's just that I've seen no evidence, and no evidence has been offered in articles by those that state Aldi/Lidl to be discounters, that shows to me that they are. That doesn't mean that such evidence does not exist, merely that I have not seen it. Therefore, I have no view one way or the other about whether Aldi/Lidl are or are not "discounters", merely that others claim that they are and, until I see evidence that shows to my satisfaction that they are, I don't accept that they are. Bearing in mind that no statement or assertion by any human being, no matter how many other human beings support such an assertion or say that they do, amounts to showing something to be the truth:rotfl:. The entirety (or near-entirety) of society except me could be wrong (I do not say that it is, merely that I can't rule out a possibility that it could be) - it does not matter if nearly the whole of populations in the distant past would have stated "The earth is flat" (or that they believed it to be so) - that never made it so.

The perception, what seems to me to be common perception (but maybe it is not as I am just reading news articles and seeing Mr A's statements and I haven't actually asked anybody in wider life), that Aldi and Lidl are "discounters" seems to me to be one that Aldi and Lidl have themselves created and over which they have managed to gain the support of the media. Articles in the press just describe or refer to Aldi/Lidl as discounters and without challenge or question. However, I am painting "the media" as if it were one homogenous block. "Media" could also include social media, including this thread and, as part of the "media" in that sense, I am saying something else. However, this thread is not mainstream media and is read by a tiny proportion of the population.

Ever impartial, I have no view one way or the other about whether or not Aldi and Lidl are discounters. However, my "non-view" is itself a view, as it is a position that I am adopting, and therefore arguably true impartiality is non-existent.

Of course I do have opinions/views. Usually based on facts that no-one else can challenge without being wrong:rotfl:. Of course I have visited Aldi and Lidl and seen prices that I see in them and, from that, I can see some evidence put before me. However, having seen that, I don't think they are discounters. I think they are same price as everywhere else on most things but gain the reputation that they are discounters from weekend special (Lidl) or Super6 (Aldi) offers on which the stores can be, or are, much cheaper than elsewhere on those items at the times at which the offers on them are on.

Anon

Savvybuyer wrote: »

Of course, from one perspective, me being completely objective and impartial again, I haven't said that Aldi and Lidl are not discounters, merely that I don't accept that they are. The onus is on those saying that they are, or describing them in such a way, as with any claim, to show it to be true. It's just that I've seen no evidence, and no evidence has been offered in articles by those that state Aldi/Lidl to be discounters, that shows to me that they are. That doesn't mean that such evidence does not exist, merely that I have not seen it. Therefore, I have no view one way or the other about whether Aldi/Lidl are or are not "discounters", merely that others claim that they are and, until I see evidence that shows to my satisfaction that they are, I don't accept that they are. Bearing in mind that no statement or assertion by any human being, no matter how many other human beings support such an assertion or say that they do, amounts to showing something to be the truth:rotfl:. The entirety (or near-entirety) of society except me could be wrong (I do not say that it is, merely that I can't rule out a possibility that it could be) - it does not matter if nearly the whole of populations in the distant past would have stated "The earth is flat" (or that they believed it to be so) - that never made it so.

The perception, what seems to me to be common perception (but maybe it is not as I am just reading news articles and seeing Mr A's statements and I haven't actually asked anybody in wider life), that Aldi and Lidl are "discounters" seems to me to be one that Aldi and Lidl have themselves created and over which they have managed to gain the support of the media. Articles in the press just describe or refer to Aldi/Lidl as discounters and without challenge or question. However, I am painting "the media" as if it were one homogenous block. "Media" could also include social media, including this thread and, as part of the "media" in that sense, I am saying something else. However, this thread is not mainstream media and is read by a tiny proportion of the population.

Ever impartial, I have no view one way or the other about whether or not Aldi and Lidl are discounters. However, my "non-view" is itself a view, as it is a position that I am adopting, and therefore arguably true impartiality is non-existent.

Of course I do have opinions/views. Usually based on facts that no-one else can challenge without being wrong:rotfl:. Of course I have visited Aldi and Lidl and seen prices that I see in them and, from that, I can see some evidence put before me. However, having seen that, I don't think they are discounters. I think they are same price as everywhere else on most things but gain the reputation that they are discounters from weekend special (Lidl) or Super6 (Aldi) offers on which the stores can be, or are, much cheaper than elsewhere on those items at the times at which the offers on them are on.

I have never found them particularly cheap either on many items but maybe that was comparing against APG prices (matching the cheapest minus 10%) - they also (as others) have different pack sizes for some items to give an impression that they are cheaper.

Anon

Savvybuyer

M mbuy missed on APG on these Baked Crisps and Sunbites:(.

1x Walkers Baked Variety Crisps (6x25g) £1.00 £1.70
1x Walkers Sunbites Barbecue Multigrain Snacks (6x25g) £1.00 £1.65

Of course they bought 3 for £3:(:
1x Walkers Sensations Thai Sweet Chilli Crisps (6x25g) £1.00 £1.77 (M price is correct: different M offer, number not bought)

Anon

How long do P4yPal take to respond to emails? I sent a message two weeks ago and got an auto response giving the same advice that I had already read on their website (a very annoying system - why would I email if their online information had answered the question?! :mad:). I replied asking for a response and have heard nothing :huh:.

Anon