Unlimited mobile internet - what options do I have?

chilswelluk

Jon_01 wrote: »

I'm sure there's something in 3's T&C's that would cover them.
The networks don't just throw them together. When the one I worked for changed something they got 3 different (very expensive) law firms to give an opinion of the legality of the change before they enacted it.

It may well cover them, but don't think large companies always interpret the law correctly. I suppose they could say something about screen size. But can't see how they can prove this stuff.

If an individual runs and Android emulator and connects via a VPN, and the device has the ability to make and receive phone calls. What is it's status?

Also serious question, what is the status of this:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-a-linux-desktop-on-your-android-phone-samsungs-working-on-it/

baza52

chilswelluk wrote: »

It may well cover them, but don't think large companies always interpret the law correctly. I suppose they could say something about screen size. But can't see how they can prove this stuff.

If an individual runs and Android emulator and connects via a VPN, and the device has the ability to make and receive phone calls. What is it's status?

Also serious question, what is the status of this:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/want-a-linux-desktop-on-your-android-phone-samsungs-working-on-it/

If 3 decide they dont want your custom thats it.
I have already pointed out 3 are within their right to block VPN connections and if they think your trying to circumvent their system in any way they will pull the plug.

You also have not said how you would manage to stream 4k video if they limit the speed of your connection?

The ONLY way your going to know for certain wether your ideas will work is to try it and see what happens, just dont come back her in 2,3 or 4 months time if they terminate your service lol

Jon_01

In the end, the network would disconnect you for a breach of T&C's. You would then have to take them to court to prove you didn't breach those T&C's.

You would have whatever proof you could come up with. The network would have their server logs and information from systems they run in the background gathering data.
They do not monitor what you look at, that would put them in breach of the data protection act. But they do have systems that can examine the data and give all kinds of information on it.
How these systems work is not public, it's not even known by the staff at the network apart from those that use the system.
I worked for a network for 18 months (not 3) on the front line on support, then moved into a back office dept for another 8 years. The front line system only had access to about 5% of what the system could do. There were other tools that I had never heard of until I started in that section.

I'm sure 3 have something on the same lines running for looking at the way data is being used and it can gather any info they need to prove their case if they need it.

d123

chilswelluk wrote: »

It may well cover them, but don't think large companies always interpret the law correctly. I suppose they could say something about screen size. But can't see how they can prove this stuff.

If an individual runs and Android emulator and connects via a VPN, and the device has the ability to make and receive phone calls. What is it's status?

It’s a computer that happens to be able to make calls, no judge is going to agree that a computer is a mobile phone, you’re definitely barking up the wrong tree (or will probably just be considered barking if you tried that argument).

You try and get clever Three will simply disconnect you for breach of T&Cs and send you a bill for early termination. No court will disagree with them when you stand up and start spouting off that your computer is a mobile phone...

d123

chilswelluk wrote: »

It depends on how a computer and how a phone is defined. You could build a computer which functions as a phone. Also where does something like this stand:

My car can make phone calls, it’s still a car and not a mobile phone...

chilswelluk

d123 wrote: »

My car can make phone calls, it’s still a car and not a mobile phone...

I take your point, but I don't think it's that simplistic when determining where the boundaries fall. Is a Raspberry Pi with a sim card module and battery pack a phone? If it's not a phone why not? If I want to "make my own phone", what criteria do I have to adhere to? It would take a lot of time and effort going through all the small print, but I don't think it's black and white. It is legally complex.

d123

chilswelluk wrote: »

I take your point, but I don't think it's that simplistic when determining where the boundaries fall. Is a Raspberry Pi with a sim card module and battery pack a phone? If it's not a phone why not? If I want to "make my own phone", what criteria do I have to adhere to? It would take a lot of time and effort going through all the small print, but I don't think it's black and white. It is legally complex.

No, it’s not. The arbitrator or judge will go with the basic industry definition.

Ask a non technical person in the street “what is a mobile phone?” and that’s what will be accepted legally.

You’re on a path to a hiding, a big bill and probably a default if you want to be too clever for your own good.

You cannot tether more than 30GB on a Three handset sim, they have plenty of ways to catch you and they won’t allow you to get away with it if you try.

SnowTiger

chilswelluk wrote: »

I don't think that would be difficult to fool. Also a few points:

1) What about running an emulator (e.g. Android) on a pc, how do they know?

2) How can they prove you are not running some custom linux distro on a phone?

3) What about casting from a phone?

4) Moreover I think this is legally complex, they would have to define what a phone is. At what point does my computer become a phone, or my phone become a computer?

I've tethered lots. I didn't have landline Internet for about eighteen months a few years ago and relied entirety on tethering.

I still tether from time to time. I did it last week.

Totally against the T&C of the service I used.

Last time I mentioned this I was slapped down:

d123 wrote: »

You are wrong, the networks can detect tethering, and the networks that enforce a no tethering rule have the ability to detect it quickly, as an example, put a new Three PAYG sim in and start tethering and see how fast it is blocked.

Secondly, your phone (if it's on a recent firmware version) does exactly what you think it doesn't, it sends a signal to the network saying "I'm tethered" and uses a secondary APN for data when tethering.

Amusingly, my tethering has been mostly on Three.

I let the comment slide, amused I was doing something the poster with limited skills couldn't. :rotfl:

d123

SnowTiger wrote: »

I've tethered lots. I didn't have landline Internet for about eighteen months a few years ago and relied entirety on tethering.

I still tether from time to time. I did it last week.

Totally against the T&C of the service I used.

Last time I mentioned this I was slapped down:



Amusingly, my tethering has been mostly on Three.

I let the comment slide, amused I was doing something the poster with limited skills couldn't. :rotfl:

Three have only become serious about tethering in the last few years, probably from around the time they kicked everyone off the OnePlan.

Anecdotal reports say very old sims seem to get away with tethering for longer than new sims, I’ve seen a new Essential contract sim hit the warning page for tethering within 30 seconds of starting a session recently.

You might get away with it for a while, but signing up and then getting caught a few times and having the contract terminated could be expensive for a person still in minimum term.

You can pretend the networks can’t detect it, even when people who’ve worked for networks tell you that they can...

Jon_01 wrote: »

In the end, the network would disconnect you for a breach of T&C's. You would then have to take them to court to prove you didn't breach those T&C's.

You would have whatever proof you could come up with. The network would have their server logs and information from systems they run in the background gathering data.
They do not monitor what you look at, that would put them in breach of the data protection act. But they do have systems that can examine the data and give all kinds of information on it.
How these systems work is not public, it's not even known by the staff at the network apart from those that use the system.
I worked for a network for 18 months (not 3) on the front line on support, then moved into a back office dept for another 8 years. The front line system only had access to about 5% of what the system could do. There were other tools that I had never heard of until I started in that section.

I'm sure 3 have something on the same lines running for looking at the way data is being used and it can gather any info they need to prove their case if they need it.

baza52

SnowTiger wrote: »

I've tethered lots. I didn't have landline Internet for about eighteen months a few years ago and relied entirety on tethering.

I still tether from time to time. I did it last week.

Totally against the T&C of the service I used.

Last time I mentioned this I was slapped down:



Amusingly, my tethering has been mostly on Three.

I let the comment slide, amused I was doing something the poster with limited skills couldn't. :rotfl:

Well if you can manage to tether and download aroung 380Gb per month perhaps you should PM the OP as thats how much data he plans to use