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Tiptronic transmission driving in automatic license
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Lots have clutches, but the alteration trying to be clever wasn't as there are plenty of autos that don't have clutches.Wasn't it correct in the first place? Most autos don't have a clutch.
The law is deliberately vague because there have been loads of different systems over the years, for example, automatic clutches were available on the Citroen GS back in the 70s which had a manual gear selection via the normal gear stick.
An auto before the advent of lock up gearboxes simply had a torque converter which is not a clutch, just a bucket of oil and a few extra bits that don't touch.0 -
simply had a torque converter which is not a clutch, just a bucket of oil and a few extra bits that don't touch.
And was simple, cheap and reliable.I used to think that good grammar is important, but now I know that good wine is importanter.0 -
It wasn't trying to be clever, I was simply clarifying that it's the lack of a manually operated clutch, rather than automatic gear changing, that makes it an automatic, in reference to a driving licence. As we've all posted, there are plenty of examples of how you can manually change gears, or should I say give an instruction for a gear change, in an auto.IanMSpencer wrote: »Lots have clutches, but the alteration trying to be clever wasn't as there are plenty of autos that don't have clutches.
The law is deliberately vague because there have been loads of different systems over the years, for example, automatic clutches were available on the Citroen GS back in the 70s which had a manual gear selection via the normal gear stick.
An auto before the advent of lock up gearboxes simply had a torque converter which is not a clutch, just a bucket of oil and a few extra bits that don't touch.0 -
It wasn't trying to be clever, I was simply clarifying that it's the lack of a manually operated clutch, rather than automatic gear changing, that makes it an automatic, in reference to a driving licence. As we've all posted, there are plenty of examples of how you can manually change gears, or should I say give an instruction for a gear change, in an auto.
... or foot-operated;)0 -
It wasn't trying to be clever, I was simply clarifying that it's the lack of a manually operated clutch, rather than automatic gear changing, that makes it an automatic, in reference to a driving licence. As we've all posted, there are plenty of examples of how you can manually change gears, or should I say give an instruction for a gear change, in an auto.
Not arguing but i believe that with Jaguar,s you can drive the auto as a manual,ie change gear manually but still has no clutch pedal:rotfl:0 -
It wasn't trying to be clever, I was simply clarifying that it's the lack of a manually operated clutch, rather than automatic gear changing, that makes it an automatic, in reference to a driving licence. As we've all posted, there are plenty of examples of how you can manually change gears, or should I say give an instruction for a gear change, in an auto.
But a foot operated clutch is a manually operated clutch.... or foot-operated;)
If the driver can operate the clutch with a foot, a hand or a finger (or any other body part) then the clutch is manually operated.0 -
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I once drove a Lamborgini at a track day event,it did not have a clutch pedal but paddle shift gear change,it never crossed my mind that this would be classed as an automatic,you learn every day.
It would have had a fully auto option as well, I think.
Depending on the model it's often referred to as the 'A' button.0
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