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teddysmum

marliepanda wrote: »

If you think the UK is some paragon of virtue with how they slaughter and raise animals you are sadly and HUGELY mistaken. I don't

If you care about where your meat comes from, looking at country of origin is the entirely wrong place to look.

Get down to your local farm shops and farmers markets, research the farms you buy from, not the countries. Both can have an impact

Sorry but you come across as ill informed, ignorant and trying to act pious about your high welfare standards when you really don't seem to have a clue about what that actually means. Britain has many fantastic and humane farms (and I'm in no way Veggie!) but just buying British and assuming itll be fine is far too narrow and reductive to be useful. Where did I say that buying British was any guarantee ? Our own government condones what the RSPCA opposed,by letting practices continue.

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Cornucopia

RichardD1970 wrote: »

Just for clarity, can you explain exactly what you understand the Halal slaughter method to be (the physical aspects) and how it differs from "traditional" British slaughter.

Do we really want graphic detail? Isn't enough to invite people to find out about the topic before voicing their opinions about it?

Here's a reasonable starting point on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal#Method_of_slaughter

teddysmum

RichardD1970 wrote: »

Just for clarity, can you explain exactly what you understand the Halal slaughter method to be (the physical aspects) and how it differs from "traditional" British slaughter.

I'll add that I use 'hanging' in the context of hanging by the feet from an overhead production line; not hanging by the neck (if that is the point on which you judge me as ignorant), but as above don't see why people should be distressed by being given a graphic description . There are lost of video footage to view but I don't as it is so upsetting and there's nothing I can do to help, as there will always be a market for 'cheap as possible',regardless of other cost.

teddysmum

Cornucopia wrote: »

Yes it is, or at least it would be. But that is not what Halal meat production involves.

If you have read that somewhere, it was someone spreading misinformation (probably with malign intent).

As in another post, by hanging I don't mean by the neck.


I don't think many of those who abhor the method do so to be malicious or as propaganda; they are concerned and especially as it is something that would otherwise be against the law . If a vet did this to euthanize a sick dog or cat, he would (after being struck off ) locked up, as would a member of the public.

Cornucopia

According to the Wikipedia entry I just posted:

Tesco, for example, says "the only difference between the halal meat it sells and other meat is that it was blessed as it was killed".

JReacher1

Cornucopia wrote: »

According to the Wikipedia entry I just posted:

Can you trust Wikipedia?

Cornucopia

JReacher1 wrote: »

Can you trust Wikipedia?

Why not? In this case, I'm pretty sure it's right.

In any case (and in deference to any BGs or Mods who might want to sanitise this thread at some point in the future), the thing that the OP is concerned about (now that we know what they are talking about) is common practice, and has been since well before Halal practices became widespread.

JReacher1

Cornucopia wrote: »

Why not? In this case, I'm pretty sure it's right.

I don’t believe that Tesco do say that.

Cornucopia

JReacher1 wrote: »

I don’t believe that Tesco do say that.

Every little helps.

RichardD1970

Cornucopia wrote: »

Do we really want graphic detail? Isn't enough to invite people to find out about the topic before voicing their opinions about it?

Here's a reasonable starting point on that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal#Method_of_slaughter

I never asked for graphic detail, just clarification on their understanding of what they were objecting to. I am quite well versed in slaughter methods, both Western and Halal thanks.

teddysmum wrote: »

I'll add that I use 'hanging' in the context of hanging by the feet from an overhead production line; not hanging by the neck (if that is the point on which you judge me as ignorant), but as above don't see why people should be distressed by being given a graphic description . There are lost of video footage to view but I don't as it is so upsetting and there's nothing I can do to help, as there will always be a market for 'cheap as possible',regardless of other cost.

The process you refer to is called "Sticking" and as AFAIA it is how most large animals are treated after stunning. The only physical difference between "our" method and Halal is that the Halal method mainly uses what is called a recoverable stun.

The last figure I saw from the FSA and the RSPCA stated that 80-90% of Halal is pre-stunned (almost certainly anything you would buy from a mass market slaughter house).