Will a certified Electrician sign off another persons work?

Aubrey_Thicket

I’m a landlord of a couple of terraced Houses that my wife and I have renovated from the start. This ‘renovation’ involves buying run down/burned out houses etc and literally stripping them back to the brick. We then use different trades (Electricians, plumbers, plasterers etc) to completely build the houses back up. We only use certified (Napit, Gas Safe etc) tradesmen. However, unusually, we currently are experiencing problems with our Electrician. Basically, we have used this guy before on 3 occasions and every time he has been great. However, I have recently been made aware that he has recently gone bust and indeed I just can’t get hold of him. His phone is dead etc and his premises are locked up. Therefore, I need to know how to proceed in getting my complete rewire checked and signed off. I’m absolutely certain (because I’ve used him before and I saw the works in progress) that the complete rewire he carried out is spot on. Every wire, cable, socket, switch and fuse box is brand new. However, going forward I really need a certified (Napit etc) electrician to check the job, sign it off and give me the paperwork I require. Is this something proper, certified electricians would do? If so, what is involved? how long would it take? What’s an expected cost?

Thanks all.

Tom99

What you need is an electrical installation condition report - cost about £200

Risteard

No they cannot certify the installation after it is done. (An EICR does not certify an installation - it is merely a report on its condition.)

If he is (was) with NAPIT then I would suggest that you speak to them about whether there is any possible redress.

tacpot12

Very few, if any, electricians will issue a Building Regulations Compliance Certificate (Part P Certificate) covering a new installation that they have not installed, so an Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR) might be the best you can achieve. This will meet the requirement for certifying the safety of the electrical installation for tenants.

You might have problems when you come to sell the properties as buyers, and their solicitors, will expect the Building Regulations Compliance Certificate to be available. If you are concerned about this, you will have to call a number of electricians to see if you can find one that will review and test the installation and give you both an EICR and a Building Regulations Compliance Certificate. Ristead is correct; strictly only the installer can issue the Building Regulations Compliance Certificate, but if the walls aren't plastered, an electrician might be prepared to effectively take over the job as if it were incomplete, complete the installation, test it and issue the Certificate.

Aubrey_Thicket

Thanks all

I need to find the guy then don't I?

Cheers for your advice.

brightontraveller

How come there are 3 properties to sign off? Napits a 1 man Band camp you wouldn’t be napit and a larger it simply wouldn’t pay to do so ? If doing three properties completing simultaneously isn’t strange enough (most would do one ensure there paid on completion bill and issue certs with payment start next ) Also you’d have outstanding monies on 3 properties bankrupt persons tend to want monies? They’d know there going to be bankrupt before they started something sounds very very iffy.

From other electricians/business point of view it would appear either persons lying or electrician wasn’t ? Certification for installation isn’t possible in form you wish as works where not overseen by third party, Contact Napit I’d love to here there response certs not for one but three properties all finished yet not certed by “Bankrupt Electrician” BTW being bankrupt doesn’t stop them certing which makes it even stranger….

Risteard

Aubrey_Thicket wrote: »

Thanks all

I need to find the guy then don't I?

Cheers for your advice.

As I said speak to NAPIT if you don't get anywhere. In future I would recommend NICEIC Approved Contractors (which is completely different to the Domestic Installer scheme).

chappers

Aubrey_Thicket wrote: »

Thanks all

I need to find the guy then don't I?

Cheers for your advice.

Not necessarily I assume you need BRegs sign off anyway, part of the conditions of that sign off will be that all notifiable works a certified under part P or else signed off by Building control.
Speak to BC they will almost certainly say that under these circumstances they would be happy with testing and a full condition report and will then sign off the Building regs

brightontraveller

chappers wrote: »

Not necessarily I assume you need BRegs sign off anyway, part of the conditions of that sign off will be that all notifiable works a certified under part P or else signed off by Building control.
Speak to BC they will almost certainly say that under these circumstances they would be happy with testing and a full condition report and will then sign off the Building regs

That would be interesting as the local authorities as described are more about single dwelling amateur/sole home owners very rarely help/assit property developer which is what OP is? They would have insurance etc to cover eventualities as described if you buy, sell, rent out, develop numerous properties at the same time you have insurance the more you here the stranger it sounds ?
The cynic might think they were not an electrician or the owners done it themselves and realised its not as easy as they thought to get a cert :rotfl:

Slinky

If you read the OP he says he has used this man on 3 previous occasions, not that he has 3 properties being done up at the same time.

brightontraveller

Slinky wrote: »

If you read the OP he says he has used this man on 3 previous occasions, not that he has 3 properties being done up at the same time.

They state “there landlord of a couple of terraced” and “This ‘renovation’ involves buying run down/burned out houses " plural to me that sounds like OP subject is more than one ? ( it could be absolutely not relevant to there OP /question though )
I'm seeing this post as more than one property not certed, To be honest doesn't change the fact as a developer of multiple properties they should have insurance for such eventualities ?

If its single property then they should say such? Also is this company, sole trader, when works started, when they finished, contract details , which governing body, how much is paid/owed, if they or contractor had insurance for such, what methods have been used to attempt to contact tradesman there are a whole multitude of things when a contractor doesn't do what you've paid for you can pursue through courts etc and as I have already stated being bankrupt doesn't effect there ability to issue certification they are still qualified to do so the bankruptcy is irrelevant to that ....

The "being made aware" covers a multitude... geezer down the pub says persons bankrupt, a official notification etc , If someone you pay doesn't do what there supposed too most would pursue them in the first instance court actions this instance just get another electrician ?... As I stated it just doesn't sound correct there is so much missing could be the OP is clueless if so they should probably seek professional advice ?