Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Filo25

buglawton wrote: »

Airbus's stance is predictable. Big industry lobbies have always leaned on governments to get what they want. Airbus's 'Press release' is just this. That's mainly how EU policy in many areas gets developed.

Countries that have never been in the EU deal with customs by having a free port or special economic area where the usual import/export rules don't apply.

Back in Blighty the equation goes:
Customs Union or Norway Solution = No change to immigration policy.
UK needs to manage it's immigration locally = Exit the customs union and go to WTO.

May's and Parliament's blowing of hot air ever since the referendum has been just a procrastination exercise while refusing to face the outright dilemma above.

Sadly I can't argue with the bolded section above at all, depressing at how little progress we have made in making genuinely tough choices, instead we are still getting the usual posturing still more aimed at maintaining party unity, and promises of getting the benefits without the obligations (and Labour haven't been any better at this than the Tories, claiming we can get the benefits of the single market without freedom of movement)

I don't think a new GE would solve this either, as I wouldn't expect a result massively different from the last one

spadoosh

Herzlos wrote: »

So Airbus are being consistent; No single market means no Airbus. That they haven't left already doesn't mean anything; we've no idea if we'll leave the single market.


Isn't there some sort of regulation/compliance thing that may prevent them from using 3rd country suppliers too, or is that to do with Galileo?

Its just to do with galileo.

They buy lots of stuff outside of the EU. They have actually set a goal to increase it.

Airbus has identified global sourcing as one of its long-term objectives and aims to source 40% outside Western Europe and the U.S. by 2020.

- the airbus website

But again... brexit makes it not viable because of all the trade deals they will have with all those countries they want to deal with? That the EU are working on right now because you cant trade with one of your closest allies once theyve become like everyone else using WTO trade rules.

Seeing how its all bluster yet?

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

depressing at how little progress we have made in making genuinely tough choices

More a reflection of the intransigence of the EU. Who have no wish to see the UK gain any benefit from exit. No secret that some EU countries are wishing to go even further in some sectors of commerce.

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

I've never heard of a free port where the rules don't apply. Countries outside the EU deal with the customs stuff either by prior arrangement, or sending stuff in plenty of time. The former means a bit more paperwork, the latter meaning expecting to have huge amounts of capital just sitting about in a dock for a few weeks until it gets sorted.

"where the usual import/export rules don't apply" is how I worded it.

fatbeetle

Airbus whining about us leaving the EU, one can only wonder why...

The World Trade Organization (WTO) has ruled that the European Union (EU) failed to comply with requests to end subsidies for Airbus.

The US Trade Representative (USTR) said the ruling in the dispute opens the way for placing tariffs on EU goods.

The USTR argued that European countries had given $22bn in state aid to Airbus to help launch its A380 and A350 jets, causing losses to US rival Boeing.

gfplux

It is two years since the referendum.
That is two years of Uncertainty.
Two years during which the only banked Brexit dividend is in favour of the EU.

In simple accounting Britain is behind where it was in June 2016.

How long before it gets ahead.

Moby

gfplux wrote: »

It is two years since the referendum.
That is two years of Uncertainty.
Two years during which the only banked Brexit dividend is in favour of the EU.

In simple accounting Britain is behind where it was in June 2016.

How long before it gets ahead.

One can’t expect any change from the headbangers, but there must surely come a point where intelligent, non-obsessive brexiteers acknowledge the accumulating evidence that Brexit, whatever form it takes, will do more harm than good to the country.

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

More a reflection of the intransigence of the EU. Who have no wish to see the UK gain any benefit from exit. No secret that some EU countries are wishing to go even further in some sectors of commerce.

But we were repeatedly told prior to the referendum that they need us more than we need them so, being as we had them over a barrel, we’d get trade deals pretty darned quickly.

How can we possibly have got that so wrong?

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

But we were repeatedly told prior to the referendum that they need us more than we need them so, being as we had them over a barrel, we’d get trade deals pretty darned quickly.

How can we possibly have got that so wrong?

I think...it's because we didn't elect Trump for PM !

You may despise the man, but I'd choose him for deal making over 50 Theresa Mays.

The problem with most of our politicians is that they put political self interest over the wider needs of the state. What else could explain the Tories choosing a vacuous Remainer like May? There is no conviction from any of them.

Now...imagine if we caved...and remained in the EU. What sort of mincemeat would Macron and Merkel make of our same politicians.

Ballard

Subarashi wrote: »

By refusing to recognise that nothing has yet been agreed (or not) maybe? :whistle:
We haven't left yet so no counting chickens please.

You missed the ‘pretty quickly’ part. There was a lot of talk about the big German carmakers insisting to Merkel that a deal be signed almost immediately after we voted to leave.