Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Backbiter

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Who are these people and what do they know? They lost and should get over it.

wunferall

The worry over strawberries in here is making me :rotfl:

There must be a real shortage of strawberries. Nowhere has any and when you find them oh! The price. :cool:

Back in the real world IME every supermarket has plenty of UK strawberries even though it's early in the season, and prices are as cheap if not cheaper than they've ever been which IMHO proves somebody is telling porkies.


Still, remoaners gotta moan I suppose. You would just think that by now they had got the message that lies are soon found out.

wunferall

Backbiter wrote: »

Who are these people and what do they know? They lost and should get over it.

No but if they had any sense they would wait for an official decision (as in a fully signed & agreed Brexit agreement) before they start whinging.

Which I suppose is why that carp was relegated to Twitter. Still, I suppose the usual Twitterati pandering to any old drivel suits Faisal Islam.

Enterprise_1701C

wunferall wrote: »

The worry over strawberries in here is making me :rotfl:

There must be a real shortage of strawberries. Nowhere has any and when you find them oh! The price. :cool:

Back in the real world IME every supermarket has plenty of UK strawberries even though it's early in the season, and prices are as cheap if not cheaper than they've ever been which IMHO proves somebody is telling porkies.


Still, remoaners gotta moan I suppose. You would just think that by now they had got the message that lies are soon found out.

No shortage of strawberries in our back garden It is not actually that early in the season, ours are turning and they in an East facing garden, I am sure ones under plastic in south facing fields will be turning by the dozen.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

No idea what that's got to do with your idea that we should all pick our own food like they did in the good old days.

I was merely picking up on the vein expressed in your view.

We're moving bravely into a brave new world grasping the many opportunities not hankering after the good old days of the 1830s.

In that the days of working hard for many are well past.

Graham_Devon

Amazon committed to post brexit Britain with plans for 2,500 new jobs.

Just hope that in a post brexit Britian, we can get some tax out of them and stop the dodgy work practices.

Moby

Contributors to this thread often get lost in petty bickering on the detail. My wider take on how things are going is that the country and the two main parties are split. We are divided into three separate camps:-
1. Those who want to leave no deal
2. Those who don’t really want to leave but respect the referendum result so brexit, but closely aligned with the EU.
3 Remainers .

Theresa May is in group 2 along with the majority of her cabinet and most of her backbenchers.
However because of her disasterous election result she is having to modify her position and embrace some of group 1 demands. This position has made negotiatiing with the EU a very difficult and frustrating process, of course if Labour were in power they would be in an equally difficult position.

Set against those built in frustrations we have an intractable EU who has no interest in the U.K. securing a good deal and want to push the U.K. into either abandoning brexit or a no deal scenario. Barnier would always have been disinclined to buy into Mays “Deep & Special Relationship”. Why should he? We have been rather arrogant at times in these islands, thinking that we deserve a special deal or status. We are now paying the price of that through facing a united front from the 27 and May’s fatal lack of authority has encouraged Barnier to be intransigent. If the UK falls into a no-deal Brexit for which the government is unprepared for there will be real consequences for many people and the “No deal is better than a bad deal” mantra will sound pretty hollow to such people.

So far I see little evidence that the UK is ready for departure on the exit day if we don’t get a transition period because the government has been too busy rewriting a white paper which no-one seems to be happy with. Its an absolute shambles but carry on debating strawberries

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

I had heard about % of home made components but only in discussion about making America great again.
Frankly did not know of nor thought about this as a Brexit issue.

This from Bloomberg email today.

QUOTE
Beware of British Parts | The European Commission has issued a warning to companies that, as of next March, British parts won!!!8217;t count as EU content in goods exported from the bloc to countries with which it has trade deals. The advice is to treat any U.K. inputs as !!!8220;non-originating,!!!8221; but some companies might interpret it as a suggestion to switch to EU parts instead. Trade deals include so-called rules of origin, specifying that goods getting special treatment must be made at least partly in the relevant country !!!8211; in this case the EU. That means companies using U.K. components will have to recalculate how !!!8220;European!!!8221; their goods are after Brexit.
END QUOTE

Does anyone know what or which components may or might be affected?

It affects the UK in two ways. UK component manufactures, making parts for relatively activated devices of the type that are manufactured in Europe: cars, aeroplanes, scientific instruments, satellites, etc, could be bypassed as buy too many, and that device will not be classed as product of the EU, even if built there.

It also affects the corresponding items built in the UK. Say a car is manufactured in the UK, but from components that come mostly from other EU nations, those cars will not be able to be traded as British in trade agreements if they don't have the required degree of Britishness:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/government-warned-british-cars-will-not-qualify-for-future-trade-deals-post-brexit-11396219

There's a good piece on this and its implications here:
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/rules-origin

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

Contributors to this thread often get lost in petty bickering on the detail. My wider take on how things are going is that the country and the two main parties are split. We are divided into three separate camps:-
1. Those who want to leave no deal
2. Those who don’t really want to leave but respect the referendum result so brexit, but closely aligned with the EU.
3 Remainers .

Theresa May is in group 2 along with the majority of her cabinet and most of her backbenchers.
However because of her disasterous election result she is having to modify her position and embrace some of group 1 demands. This position has made negotiatiing with the EU a very difficult and frustrating process, of course if Labour were in power they would be in an equally difficult position.

Set against those built in frustrations we have an intractable EU who has no interest in the U.K. securing a good deal and want to push the U.K. into either abandoning brexit or a no deal scenario. Barnier would always have been disinclined to buy into Mays “Deep & Special Relationship”. Why should he? We have been rather arrogant at times in these islands, thinking that we deserve a special deal or status. We are now paying the price of that through facing a united front from the 27 and May’s fatal lack of authority has encouraged Barnier to be intransigent. If the UK falls into a no-deal Brexit for which the government is unprepared for there will be real consequences for many people and the “No deal is better than a bad deal” mantra will sound pretty hollow to such people.

So far I see little evidence that the UK is ready for departure on the exit day if we don’t get a transition period because the government has been too busy rewriting a white paper which no-one seems to be happy with. Its an absolute shambles but carry on debating strawberries

I'd agree with most of that, I fall into the second group and would like a close relationship and although I think the government is not doing very well hampered by small majority and an opposition that's only concern is over throwing government. But my biggest disappointment is the EUs intransigence as a close relationship will benefit both sides and that should be everybody's main priority.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

I'd agree with most of that, I fall into the second group and would like a close relationship and although I think the government is not doing very well hampered by small majority and an opposition that's only concern is over throwing government. But my biggest disappointment is the EUs intransigence as a close relationship will benefit both sides and that should be everybody's main priority.

Why would a close relationship with Britain benefit the EU.

If Britain had a distant relationship (I mean even more distant than being a reluctant member for +40 years) Britains would still buy EU stuff.

Just look at Britains distant relationship with Chine both politically and distance but consumers just can not get enough of Chinese products.