Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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We need more immigration - not less - and before you say 'robots' that's nice and all but unemployment is already at 40 year lows and the UK is starved of workers already.

When and if the robots come along at some distant point in the future we can look again at migration then. Until that happens we need more real live human workers today.

There isn't any point in me discussing robots with you. You don't understand or get them. Fair enough.

We need better productivity from the resources we already have.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Full marks to the EU for this initiative. They support it so enthusiatically that they imported goods to the value of 36 million euros in 2016 from LDCs. 36 million euros!

More evidence you are not an international salesman.

The LDC countrys ONLY exported 36 million, ha ha ha, even the number is wrong as well as the thought process.

Have you heard the phrase, you can lead the horse to water........

Just like Britains exports, Britain has to sell them, other countrys can choose not to buy. Too many Brexiter, if not all think that Britains exports have been held back because of the EU.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

We need better productivity from the resources we already have.

If you want to increase average productivity figures just employ a few tens of thousands of city spivs to indulge in their casino banking with squillions of other people's money - which looks great for the stats - until it all goes Pete Tong like it did in 2007.

It's hardly surprising the productivity statistics have contracted since the banker boys were forced to scale back.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, people are having to work harder for their money because there aren't enough candidates to fill vacancies in employers up and down the land.

And with unemployment in the real economy at 40 year lows and a chronic labour shortage building we just need to import some more people to fill the jobs - and same as with the fantasy robots, we can worry about paper productivity statistics later.

gfplux

Just as Britain was about to sell, sell, sell, this piece of mis information comes along, it can not be true, can it.

From Politico today.
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Global Britain update: Liam Foxs department for international trade is poised to ax hundreds of officials employed to promote British exports, the FTs James Blitz reports. He says DIT faces a cash shortfall due to the mounting cost of hiring trade negotiators to cut post-Brexit trade deals, with Fox now at loggerheads with the Treasury.
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gfplux

However there is loads of money for......
From Politico again

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Writing in the Telegraph, Defense Secretary Gavin Williamson says Britain is ready to go it alone or team up with Asian allies to develop a new global positioning system as a rival to the EUs Galileo project, from which Britain is bring excluded. We should not fear or doubt our ability to go it alone or to seek out new partnerships with countries such as Japan, South Korea, Australia and others, he writes. We have the expertise, the technical know-how and, crucially, the will to succeed. But POLITICOs Joshua Posaner has spoken to space experts in the U.K. who are unconvinced. A deal [on continued Galileo membership] would be substantially cheaper, one tells him. There is so much more the U.K. could spend this money on ; rather than replicating something we already invested heavily in;
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buglawton

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Why are you so obsessed with immigration?

We haven't bred at the replacement rate for 5 decades, not even for a single year, and we don't import enough people even to replace the ones we failed to breed.

We need more immigration - not less - and before you say 'robots' that's nice and all but unemployment is already at 40 year lows and the UK is starved of workers already.

When and if the robots come along at some distant point in the future we can look again at migration then. Until that happens we need more real live human workers today.

Isnt it the countries with lots of natural resources - land, coastal water, hydro power, minerals, but have first world development and low populations to go with it that have the highest standards of living? Eg Norway, Australia, Canada... The latter 2 believe they have not reached an optimal population yet so have carefully controlled immigration of talent from all over the world, to augment their population and skills.

But the UK could well have gone past the point of optimal population already.

cogito

Fair enough. I'm more than happy to admit when I get things wrong unlike every remainer who has ever posted on this thread. This is where I took the figures from and accept that I misinterpreted them.

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/september/tradoc_111529.pdf

Happy now, Hamish and gfp?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

buglawton wrote: »

The latter 2 believe they have not reached an optimal population yet so have carefully controlled immigration of talent from all over the world, to augment their population and skills.

And they both import a higher percentage of their population each year than us.

A great start for an 'optimal population' is simply breeding enough to replace the old people with the same number of young ones.

We don't do that and haven't done that for 5 decades.

the UK could well have gone past the point of optimal population already.

The UK is virtually empty.

We use just 1.1% of our land for housing, and less than 3% is built on with anything at all, including all the roads, railways, factories, shops, etc.

Meanwhile there is a huge shortage of workers building up with unemployment at near record lows - and a vast empty country that could accommodate 100 years worth of growth with just a fraction of a percent more land used.

Enterprise_1701C

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Why are you so obsessed with immigration?

We haven't bred at the replacement rate for 5 decades, not even for a single year, and we don't import enough people even to replace the ones we failed to breed.

We need more immigration - not less - and before you say 'robots' that's nice and all but unemployment is already at 40 year lows and the UK is starved of workers already.

When and if the robots come along at some distant point in the future we can look again at migration then. Until that happens we need more real live human workers today.

In England and Wales in 2016 there was 696,271 live births and 525,048 registered deaths.

In Scotland there was 54,488 births and 56,728 deaths.

In Ni there was 24,076 births and 15,430 deaths.

I think we are doing fine breeding at replacement rate.

And before you ask I didn't even try to break it down into nationalities.

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The UK is virtually empty.

We use just 1.1% of our land for housing, and less than 3% is built on with anything at all, including all the roads, railways, factories, shops, etc

Oh God. Here we go again. Only three countries in the EU (one of them Malta) have greater population densities than the UK, much of the land is moors, forests, lakes and mountains but Hamish has figured out a way for us to put up housing estates on top of Snowdon, Rannoch Moor or to persuade people to live in the Shetlands. When you exclude parts of the country where it's impossible to build, you're left with flood plains where it's stupid to build.

And he accuses other posters of being stupid.