Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

So the EU don't think any of Mays Eire border plans have any merit:

https://on.rt.com/93pl

Presumably not even May will be surprised, the proposals were garbage.

buglawton

Isn't Russia Today's website a bit of a barrel-scrape for opinion pieces?

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

So the EU don't think any of Mays Eire border plans have any merit:

https://on.rt.com/93pl

Presumably not even May will be surprised, the proposals were garbage.

Says some EU bureaucrat. The EU will reject each and every proposal to solve the border issue and Varadkar is stupid enough to let them.

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

Isn't Russia Today's website a bit of a barrel-scrape for opinion pieces?

All sources have their bias'. RT is no worse than most.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Says some EU bureaucrat. The EU will reject each and every proposal to solve the border issue and Varadkar is stupid enough to let them.

The onus is certainly on the UK to convince them to accept one of the options

Pauciloquent_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

The onus is certainly on the UK to convince them to accept one of the options

No, really it isn't.
There is no international law saying countries must have borders, that's how the EU has the Schengen area for example.

If the UK says it wants no border but the EU wants a border then it is, bluntly, up to the EU to put one in place.
Do you think the Republic of Ireland will do that at the EU's say-so?

gfplux

Britain is a wonderful county. I should know as a I was born there.
Britain as a BRAND is very valuable.
It must be remembered that brands stand for something and each brand might stand for different values.

Britain being a member of the EU has not stopped British products being sold to Countrys outside the EU however having a huge market on the doorstep (the EU) with ease of access and virtually no paperwork has meant that British exporters have concentrated on the low hanging fruit.
Other countrys have done the same and others have been aggressive in selling into the EU as well as to countrys outside the EU.

British exporters now have to change their thought process and look outside the EU and take advantages of all the opportunities that are mentioned by Brexiters.

Opportunity opportunity opportunity is mentioned so often however I wonder how many posters who talk of opportunity have ever sold anything other than on Ebay?
As someone who spent an entire career selling, exporting and importing I can say that opportunity does not easily if at all translate in to sales.

Other posters have talked of huge markets with billions of consumers perhaps not understanding that it is not the size of the market but as an exporter your penetration, experience and knowledge of a market that can, perhaps, might bring success.

In some if not many instances British exporters have not yet set a foot in many of the markets posters here talk about. Those posters have no idea how long it can take from that first footstep to receiving (not the first order) the first repeat order that means the first order is not the only order or in fact the goods are returned.

The above may sound negative but just ask any export road warrior.

Herzlos

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

No, really it isn't.
There is no international law saying countries must have borders, that's how the EU has the Schengen area for example.

If the UK says it wants no border but the EU wants a border then it is, bluntly, up to the EU to put one in place.
Do you think the Republic of Ireland will do that at the EU's say-so?

You're missing the whole customs union thing. You can only have no border if the rules covering things that can cross the border are broadly the same.

The eu are happy with not having a border, but that violates our red lines.

Ballard

Matt_L wrote: »

If you believe thats worth watching then you really do need to watch this after, it puts your clip into perspective...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9dKcjfeVTs

Thanks for posting that as it does add some context. It remains clear, however, that several of the Leave campaigners advocated the Norwegian model prior to the referendum which would keep us within the single market.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

You're missing the whole customs union thing. You can only have no border if the rules covering things that can cross the border are broadly the same.

The eu are happy with not having a border, but that violates our red lines.

I'm sorry but :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

You need to tell Barnier & co that they're "happy with not having a border". It's pretty clear that they are not.