Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Lornapink wrote: »

People become accustomed to new realities and British youngsters will soon feel very much like Aussie or Canadian youngsters growing up in an independent nation.
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We have always been an independent nation.

Nothing will change on that front once we leave the Union of Nations that is the EU.

What the young will notice is the reduced cooperation with our neighbours, somewhat lower standards of living, and fewer opportunities that will exist in post-Brexit Britain - and this will simply continue until we eventually rejoin.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Lornapink wrote: »

The entire establishment backed the status quo. .

False.

The Brexit campaign, and the hundreds of millions of pounds worth of anti-EU media propaganda over the previous decades, was almost entirely funded by a handful of elite Millionaires and Billionaires.

Lornapink

Arklight wrote: »

I would be less averse to Brexit if so many of its supporters weren’t quite so keen to don black shirts and start marching through the East End.

Yet you're quite happy to remain part of the EU where actual far-right politicians now sit in the German & Austrian Parliament's and are very well represented throughout much of the EU, from Poland to Hungary.


The Conservatives in places like Holland were forced well to the right in recent elections, the language far more pungent than anything seen in the British GE.


The right wing tsunami sweeping Europe is gaining momentum, the Swedish GE this year will be interesting indeed.


Conclusion; The EU democratic deficit is real, people have had enough of panjandrum's and 'liberal' elites.

Lornapink

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

False.

The Brexit campaign, and the hundreds of millions of pounds worth of anti-EU media propaganda over the previous decades, was almost entirely funded by a handful of elite Millionaires and Billionaires.

So the establishment didn't back Remain then?


Which big Banks backed Leave?
Which non-founder owned corporations backed Leave?
What proportion of parliamentarians backed Leave?
What proportion of Judges and Celebs backed Leave?
The head of the COE?
Obama?
Merkel?
Economists?
Gov't?
Bank Of England?


Most newspapers didn't back Leave until the closing moments and even then The Times, Guardian, FT et al backed Remain.


BBC, CH4, Sky were all heavily biased to Remain.


Question Time panels were invariably all Remain bar 1 panellist. Often it was 100% Remain.

Lornapink

ilovehouses wrote: »

If that logic holds true it does rather beg the question why did the UK join the EU in the first place?

The message conveyed and understood by the majority was that we were joining a trade club.
Brexit is about joining a TRADE club.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

If that logic holds true it does rather beg the question why did the UK join the EU in the first place?

It joined a very different entity.

If you look at how much the EU has changed during our membership, it's pretty significant.

You could make a case that they are only part way through the project.

So why should the change stop? It could even increase in the next 40 years.

I think it's reasonable to try and assess where it's going, and then decide if that fits in with your own priorities.

Lornapink

In case anyone missed it, Radio 4 had an Aussie guest on last night about 5.15pm going through some of the incredible Brexit opportunities ahead. One of these is proper autonomy with The 2 billion citizen Commonwealth, where most citizens are now tier 3 income earners ('middle' income) living in fast growing economies. Commonwealth has toes in many strategic arena's.

Hans Rosling, advisor to Bill Gates and the UN, points out trade is moving east. There are 7 bn people on the planet, 3 billion of them in Asia, 2 billion in Africa, 1 billion across the America's.

90% of trade growth is set to be outside the EU.

Let's have a great FTA with Europe and be globally autonomous.
Brexit is win-win.

Arklight

Lornapink wrote: »

The entire establishment backed the status quo. In spite of massive campaigning advantage, Obama fake queue threats, pompous ermine clad fat-cats, the manipulation of State organs, a £9m Gov't leaflet & the Gov't backing Remain, still the establishment lost, thwarted by raw people power.

You'll be delighted by the spirited democratic opposition to your view of what Brexit should be like then.

It's people power after all, and you love that.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

i.e. we joined based on the merits presented at the time and if there's an opportunity to rejoin it'll be based on the merits again.
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I agree, but have 3 questions :

a) do you think the Euro will still be the main currency at this rejoin decision time?

b) do you think rejoining will be bundled with having to adopt the Euro?

c) would you consider it an acceptable cost?

Arklight

Lornapink wrote: »

The message conveyed and understood by the majority was that we were joining a trade club.
Brexit is about joining a TRADE club.

You are assuming that everyone born after 1965 has an opinion that is irrelevant. Most of us who don't fall within your privileged generational catch all are well aware of what the EU does and why we wanted to stay. And it isn't based on what happened or what people were told in the relative pre-history of the early 70s.