Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not aware of any left wing loons owning papers and branding people that disagree with their glorious brexit as "enemies of the people".
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Who buys papers these days? It's a shrinking market.

It's all about the digital media space now, particularly the social media channels.

Remind me again who owns YouTube? Who owns Facebook? Who owns Twitter? None of this owned by our traditional media owners.

mayonnaise

iro wrote: »

Part of me hopes that the extremist remainers in the Lords up the anti so we can sack them as well.
I would love to use their ermine to wipe my Brexit working class !!! with!

Were you always a staunch opponent of a bicameral parliament, or is this a recent development?

iro wrote: »

There was a binary referendum and remain lost.

Correction: There was an advisory, non-legally binding referendum and remain lost.

iro wrote: »

https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6

Countdown to the day on which nothing much will change.

iro

fewgroats wrote: »

NATIONIST socialist party. In other words Right Wing.

NATIONIST??????????

Not familiar with that particular political philosophy.

Do know that national SOCIALIST party had a flag with a lot of red on it and had anti semites supporting it....................

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not aware of any left wing loons owning papers and branding people that disagree with their glorious brexit as "enemies of the people".

There are loons on both sides, but it seems that one side is more dangerous than the other, in terms of what they are threatening and their reach (not that there haven't been dangerous leftys, or leftys using violence to achieve their goals, but that's still predominantly a right thing).

You seem to be forgetting that the epithet “enemies of the people” can only really be used one way, as those who are perceived as trying to thwart Brexit are fighting against the will of the people as expressed in the referendum.
I think you would better off not looking at Brexit through the prism of your personal dislike of the Tories and Westminster, lest we forget that both major parties were pro-remain before the referendum result and since then are now both pro-Brexit.
This whole Brexit thingy transcends party politics and left winger and right winger in my view.
A day after the Lords try and box the Government in re. a customs union, the EU commission reject the UK’s suggestions about the Irish border. TM’s reaction to that will be fascinating.
Is it hard Brexit or is it cue Big Nige Farage and a return to frontline politics?

Tromking

mayonnaise wrote: »

Correction: There was an advisory, non-legally binding referendum and remain lost.

So we await the time when the political class just bin it off and say sorry U.K. people, you got it wrong.
I wonder why they havent done that yet, any ideas Mayo?

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

So we await the time when the political class just bin it off and say sorry U.K. people, you got it wrong.
I wonder why they havent done that yet, any ideas Mayo?

You shouldn't see it so black and white, as a choice between no brexit and hard brexit, mate.
They haven't done it yet because it wasn't politically viable with the rabid brexiteers in the Tory party dominating the agenda (until now).

Let me ask you something.
If a large majority of the business community doesn't want a hard brexit, if UK science doesn't want a hard brexit, if academics don't want a hard brexit, the world of finance doesn't want a hard brexit and a majority in parliament doesn't want a hard brexit, why do you think you're going to get a hard brexit?

Herzlos

It's arguable that even a majority of leavers want a hard brexit, either.

mayonnaise wrote: »

Correction: There was an advisory, non-legally binding referendum and remain lost.

By a margin so small it can only be called statistically insignificant and thus the referendum result was "dunno".

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Who buys papers these days? It's a shrinking market.

The Daily Mail is (as I remember) the most read English language news website in the world, and is in the top most read websites. Just because people aren't buying the bog roll doesn't mean they aren't being subjected to the message.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

At one extreme of the spectrum there are some Remainers who think Parliament should just call the whole Brexit thing off and stay in the EU - that's not going to happen.

At the other extreme there are the hard-Brexiteers who think the UK should crash out of the EU without any deal, and never participate in any EU programmes, institutions, etc, ever again - that's also not going to happen.

The reality will be somewhere in the middle.

It is likely we will remain a participant in some EU institutions, like EASA, etc, and remain governed by those regulations set by the EU with no say on our part.

Some form of trade deal will be done, but we'll have to agree to be bound by a non-UK resolutions entity as final arbiter for disputes, and accept EU market regulations.

Participation in 'a' customs union is starting to look more likely than not, and some form of preferential access for EU workers likewise.

The debate is no longer about staying or leaving the EU - we'll be leaving, for now - the only real question is how to minimise the damage from doing so until the campaign to rejoin starts up in a few years.

My personal opinion is that Britain is now engaged in a long, drawn out, pointless, civil conflict... we have become a bitterly divided nation... and both sides are more or less evenly matched and ready to slug it out for the long term.

But while Brexiteers have by the slimmest of margins won the first battle - they are ultimately doomed by demographics and economic realities to lose the war.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

You seem to be forgetting that the epithet “enemies of the people” can only really be used one way, as those who are perceived as trying to thwart Brexit are fighting against the will of the people as expressed in the referendum.

Not at all. "enemies of the people" can mean almost anything in most contexts, and the people sending the threats probably don't read too much into the actual details.

Plus I'm not convinced that insisting that the law is upheld is the same as thwarting Brexit. But that's the mindset that we're up against. Anything goes as long as it's pro-brexit.

I think you would better off not looking at Brexit through the prism of your personal dislike of the Tories and Westminster, lest we forget that both major parties were pro-remain before the referendum result and since then are now both pro-Brexit.
This whole Brexit thingy transcends party politics and left winger and right winger in my view.
A day after the Lords try and box the Government in re. a customs union, the EU commission reject the UK’s suggestions about the Irish border. TM’s reaction to that will be fascinating.
Is it hard Brexit or is it cue Big Nige Farage and a return to frontline politics?

Definintely, it transcends parties, but it's still a bad, borderline unworkable plan, which is why it's going so slowly.

Will we see a return from Farage, since he's showing himself to be the hypocrit time and again? Lying about his residential status to attempt to get a German passport, admitting 2 of his kids have German passports. Refusing to give up his MEP salary or pension.

Eventually everyone will realise that Farage is a self-serving fraud.

Again, you see the Lords trying to inject some sanity and checks as thwarting Brexit. Almost no one actually wants a "brexit at all costs".