Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

Rinoa wrote: »

If that were the case I'm certain the Corbynista propaganda machine would have told us by now.

I think you just make things up.

Or you could look at the facts. Dangerous I know.
All of the studies and investigations show that the Labour party is no more anti-semetic than the population as a whole. The left are always more likely to be against Israeli policy but despite all the claims that's not anti-semetic.

The list of Tory members behaviour is this regard is far longer. Again it's out there if you look.

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

Or you could look at the facts. Dangerous I know.
All of the studies and investigations show that the Labour party is no more anti-semetic than the population as a whole. The left are always more likely to be against Israeli policy but despite all the claims that's not anti-semetic.

The list of Tory members behaviour is this regard is far longer. Again it's out there if you look.

You're just trying to defend the indefensible.

It isn't working.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Or you could look at the facts. Dangerous I know.
All of the studies and investigations show that the Labour party is no more anti-semetic than the population as a whole. The left are always more likely to be against Israeli policy but despite all the claims that's not anti-semetic.

The list of Tory members behaviour is this regard is far longer. Again it's out there if you look.

You’re right to flag up the far left’s longstanding antipathy toward Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians, however the current issue besetting Corbyn’s Labour and their new far left membership is their erroneous and racist contention that Jews are a major part of the capitalist elite and therefore actively engaged in the subjugation of the poor. Anti-semitism is part of the far left’s credo.

Herzlos

Rinoa wrote: »

You're just trying to defend the indefensible.

It isn't working.

What am I defending?

How do you feel about Corbyn joining the Jewish group for their Passover celebrations on his day off? Is that anti-semetic because they were critical of the Israeli state and thus the wrong kind of Jews?

Or that a review of mostly Tories concluded there was no higher incidence of anti-Semitism in the Labour party than the population?

Do you think that, just maybe, the right wing press are jumping on this as an excuse to bash Corbyn and the Labour party despite the facts? Like they did with the Czech spy nonsense a few weeks ago?

There's always a couple of posters on here that refer to Corybn by whatever the Daily Mail's current fictional smear is.

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

I interact a lot with the world and I voted remain because it makes that interaction easier.

I'd love to know how you "interact a lot with the world" when you seem to spend so much time here, but still ..........
That's why you voted remain?
Well you were wrong then and wrong now if you still believe that.

Given that "interact" covers a wide scope then generally excluding the EU it makes very little if any difference whether you do so from an independent country or not. Within the EU if that "interaction" ease differs in future it will be because your oh-so-helpful EU insist that it be so.

So it might make interaction within the EU easier but being an EU member does not make interaction with the rest of the world easier.
Why?
Because you must both be aware of and adhere to the regulations as set out by another 27 countries in all dealings with the rest of the world, as opposed purely to those of your own country.

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

There's always a couple of posters on here that refer to Corybn by whatever the Daily Mail's current fictional smear is.

More carp.
The only poster I have ever seen use the Daily Mail in recent times in this thread is ilovehouses.
Are you saying that poster refers to Corbyn in the same manner as that publication?

Rinoa wrote: »

I think you just make things up.

It certainly looks like it.

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

What am I defending?

How do you feel about Corbyn joining the Jewish group for their Passover celebrations on his day off? Is that anti-semetic because they were critical of the Israeli state and thus the wrong kind of Jews?

Or that a review of mostly Tories concluded there was no higher incidence of anti-Semitism in the Labour party than the population?

Do you think that, just maybe, the right wing press are jumping on this as an excuse to bash Corbyn and the Labour party despite the facts? Like they did with the Czech spy nonsense a few weeks ago?

There's always a couple of posters on here that refer to Corybn by whatever the Daily Mail's current fictional smear is.

Right wing press? Even the Mirror are commenting on it. You obviously don't agree with Eddie Izzard, he thinks Labour has a problem with it.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-anti-semitism-complaints-not-12292707

This is what Momentum has to say:

Momentum’s NCG believes that accusations of antisemitism should not and cannot be dismissed simply as right wing smears nor as the result of conspiracies. Current examples of anti-Semitism within the Labour Party are not only a problem of a few, extreme “bad apples” but also of unconscious bias which manifests itself in varied, nuanced and subtle ways and is more widespread in the Labour Party than many of us had understood even a few months ago.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

I'd love to know how you "interact a lot with the world" when you seem to spend so much time here, but still ..........

I've posted in this very thread from about 5 countries recently, I spend a fair amount of time in airports and hotels (free wifi). Why I waste my time such I don't know.

That's why you voted remain?
Well you were wrong then and wrong now if you still believe that.

One of many reasons I think Brexit is a bad idea. But free movement makes my job much easier. I can be summoned to eu countries with significany less planning than outside, excepting countries with visa agreements. Even taking the eu queue is much quicker.

Given that "interact" covers a wide scope then generally excluding the EU it makes very little if any difference whether you do so from an independent country or not. Within the EU if that "interaction" ease differs in future it will be because your oh-so-helpful EU insist that it be so.

I visit customers and suppliers in person at their factories across the world. Brexit won't have much impact on outside the eu but it's going to make the eu stuff harder.

Herzlos

Rinoa wrote: »

Right wing press? Even the Mirror are commenting on it. You obviously don't agree with Eddie Izzard, he thinks Labour has a problem with it.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-anti-semitism-complaints-not-12292707

This is what Momentum has to say:

You want to claim the right wing press haven't blown it it of proportion?

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

You want to claim the right wing press haven't blown it it of proportion?

The only people who think that obviously believe anti-semitism isn't important and shouldn't be reported.