Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

Rinoa wrote: »

• Free to negotiate trade deals with other countries
• Full UK representation on world bodies (such as climate change) wheras currently we are represented by the EU.
• Free to adopt our own tax laws eg. womens sanitary products
• Taking back control of our fishing waters (eventually)
• Ensuring UK courts cannot be overruled by the ECJ
• Not having to pay £8.5Bn to the EU every year
• Most importantly the warm glow of satisfaction, knowing we are once again a sovereign country, free to make our own laws and govern ourselves as we so wish.

Lots of others but that'll do to be going on with.

The above is a list of hope for, may be, perhaps, could be and promises by politicians who do not have a track record of honesty but have a lot of hope for.

Yes I know you can not quote experts because experts do not know according to you and your fellow Brexiters.

So every one of your list is flawed in some way even if your embarrassment shines through with the word eventually.

Sorry your list would not buy a bag of chips.

By the way, even if the list had some value who in their right mind would vote to leave the EU based on that.

LHW99

First, Those are promises by a politician, hopefully you know the difference between a promise and a commitment.

I as a voter can elect a party to govern. I can decide in 5 years to elect a different party.
In terms of the EU, I could elect / help to elect one or more MEP's for my area.
Howere it isMEP's that decide the grouping in the EU parliament that they sit in.
If I don't like that I can vote otherwise the next time - but will likely get someone who still sits in the same grouping.
That grouping will elect further officials with the EU system.
If I don't like those officials, I am likely to have far less effect by voting for a different MEP than I would on UK government by voting for a different MP.
IMO the longer the chain between the individual voter and the result of their vote, the less the voter feels the representative truly represents.
Leaving the EU shortens that chain and makes it easier to put the blame / give the praise where it truly belongs by keeping decisions closer to home.

Rough_Justice

gfplux wrote: »

So my head now pulled out of the sand, squark box turned off and looking at reality.
So can you give me one advantage, not hope, not promises, not maybe, just one advantage for Britain of leaving the EU.

I will.

We will be free of unelected Eurocrats like Juncker, Selmayer, Tusk, Barnier, Verhofstadt & co. and - even better - we won't be paying their wages!
:T

(Before you tell me that they are not unelected please explain how we in the UK could remove any of that list from their posts. Ergo they are not elected by us in the UK.)

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

The above is a list of hope for, may be, perhaps, could be and promises by politicians who do not have a track record of honesty but have a lot of hope for.

Yes I know you can not quote experts because experts do not know according to you and your fellow Brexiters.

So every one of your list is flawed in some way even if your embarrassment shines through with the word eventually.

Sorry your list would not buy a bag of chips.

:rotfl:You're floundering now aren't you?

gfplux wrote: »

By the way, even if the list had some value who in their right mind would vote to leave the EU based on that.

Quite a few.

17,410,742 to be precise.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

By the way, even if the list had some value who in their right mind would vote to leave the EU based on that.

Anyone with a brain, perhaps?

You see, people don't respond to certain posters because there isn't much point when you know that if you do offer a reasoned and reasonable argument it's just going to be dismissed out of hand.

Maybe gfp could post a list of reasons why the UK should remain in the EU and we can play the same game.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Why, perhaps I would like to make fun or critisize your village, Town, City or region.

There's much that can be done to improve our locality. I'd be the first to admit it. We have major issues with drugs, unsocial behaviour, prostitution, pop up brothels, people trafficking. Much of which originates from Eastern European connections. You are old enough to remember the days of the Krays and organised gangs. Well there's a similar culture emerging. That's moving west out of London.

People care more about the environment where they live. Than exports, trade agreements and being told how to live their lives from unelected bureaucrats.

Enterprise_1701C

cogito wrote: »

Anyone with a brain, perhaps?

You see, people don't respond to certain posters because there isn't much point when you know that if you do offer a reasoned and reasonable argument it's just going to be dismissed out of hand.

Maybe gfp could post a list of reasons why the UK should remain in the EU and we can play the same game.

Quite agree with this, and think gfplux should publish his list so we can pull it apart and inform him we would not vote on that basis, he obviously would not accept any reasons we gave, even if it meant it was the only way we could go on living.

Herzlos

Rinoa wrote: »

:rotfl:You're floundering now aren't you?



Quite a few.

17,410,742 to be precise.

None of them voted due to false information?

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

None of them voted due to false information?

How many were influenced by the now discrdited 'project fear' propaganda.

Arklight

buglawton wrote: »

The UK hit a new wind power record this January and averages near 20% annually. Not too shabby.

Visit the Mini or Nissan plants in the UK and try to spot the occasional human among the robots manhandling and painting chassis and body parts. And when it comes to AI and robotics I’d say the UK makes its contribution what with ARM and loads of software start ups.

ARM was bought out by SoftBank and is therefore now Japanese. At least Nissan uses Great British Pilkington glass. Oh, no that was sold to Nissan and is also now Japanese.