Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Did I hear correctly. This is a positive reason for Britain to leave the EU.
No I did not think so.
Anyone got any positive benefits to Britain.

You don't get it.

A positive can be that you finally recognise there is a problem, and that you will have to change or continue to fail.

I think Brexit will lead to a revaluation of our priorities in UK. Mass migration I link to mass consumption, and I just don't see it as sustainable.

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you feel those announcements are enough to turn our bold vision into reality in a great Britain installed from the EU? Would someone like Brunel be impressed by those offerings?

I thought we were all about revolution rather than evolution and some great drive to prosperity, by spending some loose change doing very little different?

No promises to be using clean energy by x or for every one to have internet access by y?

We are committing to banning combustion only cars about 10 years ahead of the eu but I think market forces will make that a moot point anyway.

The biggest challenges for our country in the nearish future will be smart factories, automation and fossil fuels but we don't seem to be keen on leading the world in any if them.

The UK hit a new wind power record this January and averages near 20% annually. Not too shabby.

Visit the Mini or Nissan plants in the UK and try to spot the occasional human among the robots manhandling and painting chassis and body parts. And when it comes to AI and robotics I’d say the UK makes its contribution what with ARM and loads of software start ups.

cogito

buglawton wrote: »

The UK hit a new wind power record this January and averages near 20% annually. Not too shabby.

Visit the Mini or Nissan plants in the UK and try to spot the occasional human among the robots manhandling and painting chassis and body parts. And when it comes to AI and robotics I’d say the UK makes its contribution what with ARM and loads of software start ups.

Last year for the first time since the industrial revolution we had days when not a single watt of electricity was generated from coal. The Germans are still digging lignite from the ground and destroying ancient forests in the process.

Herzlos

Japan saying they are prioritizing a trade deal with the EU over the UK:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-japan-shinichi-iida-trade-eu-theresa-may-a8280021.html

And for those of us curious as to how the Europeans are viewing Brexit:

https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/risj-review/sympathetic-unconcerned-how-europes-media-cover-brexit

European media follow the Brexit debate closely, but appear unconcerned about the United Kingdom leaving the European Union.

A study of media coverage over the past six months reveals those living outside the UK do not believe Brexit will drive the EU apart. It also found European Brexit reporting was predominantly fact-based. Most (78%) analysed news items took no position in relation to Brexit. Only 22% conveyed a clear opinion.

These are preliminary findings of a comparative content analysis of media coverage in eight European countries.

Findings:

1. Media outlets in most countries have adopted a neutral position when reporting Brexit negotiations. Only one in ten reports, on average, covered the issue from a perspective of national self-interest. However there was a notable variation between countries. French media reported Brexit as more of a challenge for the United Kingdom rather than for the French or the EU; interest in the future of the EU was highest in Sweden and Greece. Spanish and Irish media in particular expressed a strong view against Brexit, while Italian and French media were slightly closer to presenting a mixture of arguments.

2. Coverage in Ireland indicated the country!!!8217;s close involvement in the Brexit process: reporting in Irish media appeared divided equally between the Irish and the British perspectives.

3. The study!!!8217;s findings reveal a general lack of anxiety about the future of the EU and the impact of Brexit on Europe, or on individual EU countries - with the exception of Ireland. If Irish coverage is excluded, most (68%) of the European news items reflected on the British situation, while slightly less than one in five articles (19%) discussed implications for the EU.

4. Freedom of movement and the rights of EU citizens living in the UK occupied little space in the coverage (7% of news items). This figure decreased to 4% when news articles about the impact of Brexit on Ireland were left out.

5. Excluding any generic references to Brexit, nearly half (42%) of reporting across all studied countries covered progress and setbacks in the Brexit negotiations.

6. The remaining coverage (58%) focused on more specific issues. Of these, half concerned the economy, business and trade.

7. Coverage of EU bureaucracy, standards and regulations played a role in only a small proportion (3%) of content studied.

Which Politicians Drive the Agenda?

Politicians from other EU countries were rarely quoted on Brexit issues. This contrasts with the impression sometimes given in British media coverage that European politicians !!!8216;meddle!!!8217; in British affairs. Instead it fits the image of a !!!8216;united front!!!8217; promoted by the EU during in the negotiations.

When protagonists were quoted, the tone of the debate was set mainly by UK Conservatives (12.4%) and EU institutions (10.4%). UK Labour politicians played a negligible role: they were quoted in only 3% of news items, while vocal Leave campaigners, such as Nigel Farage and UKIP, were even less present (combined share of 0.3%).
French, German or other EU national politicians were barely quoted (in fewer than 1% of reports). The most quoted person of all protagonists was British Prime Minister, Theresa May, with EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier following some way behind.

The Irish Media and Brexit

A disproportionately large number of articles and news pieces in the sample stemmed from Irish outlets (1290 items - or 37% of the total). This finding can be explained by the particularly complicated relationship between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland following the Brexit Referendum.

Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland share a land border and a common travel area between the UK, and the Republic allows for the free movement of goods and people. Both sides hope to avoid a return to a !!!8220;hard border!!!8221; although how this could be achieved is still being debated. For this reason the topic has featured prominently in Brexit negotiations and has strongly influenced the Irish news coverage.

Fact-based reporting
Contrary to popular assumptions that news media are biased and opinionated, the study found that European Brexit coverage was predominantly fact-based. Most (78%) analysed news items took no position in relation to Brexit. Only 22% conveyed a clear opinion. Of these, nearly three quarters (74%) argued against Brexit.

TLDR; they aren't that bothered.

kabayiri wrote: »

I think Brexit will lead to a revaluation of our priorities in UK. Mass migration I link to mass consumption, and I just don't see it as sustainable.

What makes you think any revaluation will occur? Or will it be driven by the reduced population and spending?

buglawton wrote: »

The UK hit a new wind power record this January and averages near 20% annually. Not too shabby.

Visit the Mini or Nissan plants in the UK and try to spot the occasional human among the robots manhandling and painting chassis and body parts. And when it comes to AI and robotics I!!!8217;d say the UK makes its contribution what with ARM and loads of software start ups.

Both good points, but are they revolution or evolution?
Does it matter that ARM is now owned by Softbank (who haven't shipped any of it overseas yet, which is good)?

I mean, what are we doing in the tech space that literally every other country isn't? Are we leading anything?
German car factories are years ahead of us in smart tech and automation, I dare say the same is true of any other factories for German brands.

The tech level and general infrastructure in the rest of the country is still pitiful compared to a lot of the world. Connectivity is poor, road networks are poor, train networks are embarrassing. All of which hurt smaller businesses who rely on being able to travel or communicate.

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

Can any Brexiter, it does not matter where you live, please list the Benefits to Britain of leaving the EU.
Could you also explain the Brexit bonus/dividend.

Thank you.

• Free to negotiate trade deals with other countries
• Full UK representation on world bodies (such as climate change) wheras currently we are represented by the EU.
• Free to adopt our own tax laws eg. womens sanitary products
• Taking back control of our fishing waters (eventually)
• Ensuring UK courts cannot be overruled by the ECJ
• Not having to pay £8.5Bn to the EU every year
• Most importantly the warm glow of satisfaction, knowing we are once again a sovereign country, free to make our own laws and govern ourselves as we so wish.

Lots of others but that'll do to be going on with.

Enterprise_1701C

Of course that £8.5 billion would only increase, with the intention of the eu to expand into the Balkans within the next 10 years or so, i can't really see those countries being net contributors.

There are a lot of advantages to being outside of the eu, especially as they are going to force everyone to join the euro. There is no point in listing them because those advantages would probably appear to be disadvantages to europhiles.

As I have said many times, I voted remain. I would not do so again, I do not want to be associated with a protectionist wannabe country that has a tantrum when it coes not get its own way.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you feel those announcements are enough to turn our bold vision into reality in a great Britain installed from the EU?

Whether we are in or out of the EU. The UK is the one in control of it's own long term destiny. The UK has faced the same structural issues for some decades. As a consequence is starting from a low base point.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

I at least am prepared to show my location in my profile unlike many Brexiters.

There's no need.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

There's no need.

Why, perhaps I would like to make fun or critisize your village, Town, City or region.

gfplux

Sagacious_Samuel wrote: »

Eh? I have done this once but yet again then, the official stance:
"Theresa May has said that Brexit means there will be more money available to spend on the NHS and schools."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43577208

You can't work out what a budget is? You don't understand that you can only spend (within reason) what you have? *sigh* Then have a quick read of this:
"Back in black: UK in current budget surplus as IMF says Osborne was right to cut spending"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/03/01/back-black-uk-current-budget-surplus-imf-says-osborne-right/

Now can I suggest as politely as possible that you pull your head out the sand and stop your silly Chicken Licken-style squawking of impending doom and disaster and instead at least try to concentrate on reality? Thank you.

First, Those are promises by a politician, hopefully you know the difference between a promise and a commitment.

So my head now pulled out of the sand, squark box turned off and looking at reality.
So can you give me one advantage, not hope, not promises, not maybe, just one advantage for Britain of leaving the EU.