Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

This is a story that any self respecting Remainer should use as a negative Brexit story.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-41838426?SThisFB
It is from the BBC but it is a report of actual numbers.
This is the negative Brexit part.
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"The decline in EU nurses and midwives wanting to work in the UK since the referendum is continuing, figures show.
The trend was first noticed earlier this year, and now a new batch of figures released by the Nursing and Midwifery Council have reinforced the idea that Brexit is having an impact.
In September the register showed just over 36,200 EU nurses and midwives - over 2,700 less than a year before.
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HOWEVER
What should outrage both sides and certainly does me is this number.
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"There were just under 690,000 nurses and midwives registered to work in the UK in September - over 1,600 less than there were the year before."
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Shocking, shocking, shocking. In the fog of battle between both sides of Brexit, the British Government are allowing this to happen.
Are they relying on both sides to concentrate and squabble over the first quote, or, are they just not very good at the job the voters gave them.

As a passionate, life long Tory voter said to me last week during a visit to the UK, "I will never, never, ever vote Labour but the present shower might persuade me to abstain"

kabayiri

Tell me any time in the last 50 years when everyone has been universally happy with the NHS. There have always been complaints about shortages, and there always will be.

Even during this hallowed EU FOM period which people seem to think is such a panacea, my local hospital took 80 nurses from SE Asia in one go.

Why did they have to go to such lengths if FoM and the EU is so brilliant?

Are we attracting the wrong sort of EU migrants? In the period from 2004 to 2011 the number of automated car washes in the UK halved. A dramatic fall.

Now we can see large numbers of manual car washers in every town....and we wonder why UK is falling down the productivity tables.

So why can we attract car washers and not the people we actually need?

setmefree2

UK exports are booming outside Europe: Sales of goods and services to non-EU nations jump 8.3%

The gulf between Britain's exports to the EU and the rest of the world is getting bigger, according to official figures.
Booming sales of UK goods and services to non-EU nations jumped 8.3 per cent to £311.6billion last year amid rising demand all over the world – from the US and Canada to Chile, Egypt, Pakistan, Japan, Singapore and New Zealand.
By contrast, exports to the EU rose by just 2.8 per cent to £235.9billion, figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed.
It marks the eighth straight year in which exports to the EU have been outstripped by those to the rest of the world.

Britain has now exported more goods to the rest of the world than to the EU every year since 2009. Last year the Brussels trading bloc accounted for 43 per cent of goods and services exports – down from 54 per cent a decade earlier.

The ONS said the EU accounted for 48.2 per cent of goods exports last year but just 36.8 per cent of services exports.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-5040279/UK-exports-booming-outside-Europe.html

Rinoa

gfplux wrote: »

This is a story that any self respecting Remainer should use as a negative Brexit story.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-41838426?SThisFB
It is from the BBC but it is a report of actual numbers.
This is the negative Brexit part.
---
"The decline in EU nurses and midwives wanting to work in the UK since the referendum is continuing, figures show.
The trend was first noticed earlier this year, and now a new batch of figures released by the Nursing and Midwifery Council have reinforced the idea that Brexit is having an impact.
In September the register showed just over 36,200 EU nurses and midwives - over 2,700 less than a year before.
---
HOWEVER
What should outrage both sides and certainly does me is this number.
---
"There were just under 690,000 nurses and midwives registered to work in the UK in September - over 1,600 less than there were the year before."
---

Shocking, shocking, shocking. In the fog of battle between both sides of Brexit, the British Government are allowing this to happen.
Are they relying on both sides to concentrate and squabble over the first quote, or, are they just not very good at the job the voters gave them.

As a passionate, life long Tory voter said to me last week during a visit to the UK, "I will never, never, ever vote Labour but the present shower might persuade me to abstain"

12 months ago Mrs May offered an amnesty for all EU citizens living and working in the UK in return for similar treatment of UK citizens living and working in Europe.

Mrs Merkel and Donald Tust refused to negotiate.

Send your complaints to Brussels.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/29/donald-tusk-accuses-british-voters-backed-brexit-creating-anxiety/

kabayiri

Did anyone see the news feature the other night. It involved a Cheshire dairy farm which was trying to do deals direct with customers in China and Qatar.

It was interesting to hear the Chinese POV that it is preferable and easier to do a deal with a single trading party than a collective of 27 states that will be the EU going forward.

Looking beyond Brexit it's clear that there will be massive growth in new markets in places like China and India in the first half of this century. The nimble operators will be the ones to tap in to these opportunities.

setmefree2

UK’s chief negotiator tells MPs department is in ‘good homework mode’ as Liam Fox confirms 734 new hires since February

Crawford Falconer, questioned by MPs on Wednesday about DIT’s ability to negotiate a UK-US trade deal palatable to the British public, said a process of engaging stakeholders was underway and that future arrangements would not be “cooked up by a few bureaucrats sitting in a corner”.

He added: “In parallel what we will be doing is what any good negotiator does… we will be conducting very extensive negotiations with all private sector and stakeholders to make sure that we have exactly the right kind of approach to the negotiations.
“This won’t be something cooked up by a few bureaucrats sitting in a corner. It will have to be part of serious engagement process with all the people that are commercially affected.”
Falconer, a New Zealand/UK dual-national hired for his extensive experience in trade negotiation, is also head of profession for trade negotiators.

http://civilserviceworld.com/articles/news/whitehall-trade-chief-crawford-falconer-pledges-uk-us-trade-deal-will-not-be-%E2%80%98cooked

mayonnaise

setmefree2 wrote: »

UK exports are booming outside Europe: Sales of goods and services to non-EU nations jump 8.3%

I was often told on here that the ghastly EU was holding us back exporting to rest of world. Oh well.

setmefree2

Originally Posted by gfplux
This is a story that any self respecting Remainer should use as a negative Brexit story.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-41838426?SThisFB
It is from the BBC but it is a report of actual numbers.

Who is this negative for exactly? We can fill nursing positions with Brits - we just have to be prepared to pay a decent wage and provide the right type of working conditions.

Why is undercutting British nurses wages a thing that Remainers should be celebrating?

To me it's something that Remainers should be ashamed about. I am. I voted Remain. But it's clear to me that FoM has had a very real negative impact on the lives of many Brits - mostly working class Brits.

setmefree2

Brexit impact papers to be released

Commons leader says ministers need to work out how to disclose information while protecting negotiations with EU

The Speaker, John Bercow, said such motions were “traditionally regarded as binding or effective”, but said he could not immediately rule whether ministers would be judged in contempt of parliament if they did not act.

Release of the documents was backed in the debate by several Tory MPs, including the pro-Brexit Jacob Rees-Mogg as well as other rebels such as Anna Soubry and Sarah Wollaston.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/02/brexit-impact-documents-david-davis-start-talks-handover

vivatifosi

setmefree2 wrote: »

Who is this negative for exactly? We can fill nursing positions with Brits - we just have to be prepared to pay a decent wage and provide the right type of working conditions.

Why is undercutting British nurses wages a thing that Remainers should be celebrating?

To me it's something that Remainers should be ashamed about. I am. I voted Remain. But it's clear to me that FoM has had a very real negative impact on the lives of many Brits - mostly working class Brits. It's also clear to me that most Remainers don't give a toss about that.

I was talking to some EU nurses about this recently as my dad was very ill and I've spent a lot of time in hospitals. The issues as they relayed to me, were less to do with FoM and more to do with the falling pound, which makes nursing in the UK less attractive when you speak several languages. That coupled with spending cuts that make working in the NHS very stressful.

As with anything else Brexit related, it is more nuanced than the headlines suggest. I have no doubt that some aren't coming due to potential FoM restrictions, and the fall in the pound has happened since Brexit.

If we focus solely on FoM, then there is a risk that we find the wrong solution. For example, we could solve FoM, but could be missing a bigger issue if non EU doctors and nurses are not coming either.