Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Why would I give up on trying to stop the long term damage to Britain that is Brexit.

I am glad to think that you and your family are enjoying good financial times since June 2016. Your belief that Britain is in better shape since then can only be based on your unique position.
Your list while long (copy and paste or your own research?) will not convince an ordinary person who is suffering financially unlike you.
I have often been attacked for living where I do so perhaps by being Tax resident in Greece has insulated you from what is happening to ordinary people in Britain.

You know nothing about me but if we are going to draw conclusions about each other, I might say that being tax resident in Luxembourg has insulated you from what is happening to ordinary people in Britain. What do you actually know about them? Not much is my guess.

The comments by mayonnaise and his sidekick are what you'd expect when they are unable to refute facts.

Honey_Badger

gfplux wrote: »

Well that takes the biscuit. A Brexiter not understanding that you don't show your hand before the negotiations start. It would be laughable were it not a serious subject.
I was hoping for some serious comment. Closing the bases may suite the UK Government, it might give some leverage with the USA, It might mean bringing troops back to the UK to support security or the border force, etc, etc, etc.

Oh dear I must have hit a nerve.

Since american spy planes have been based at RAF Akrotiri several times, with some of the deployments over several years, I suspect closing the bases would not give any leverage with the US.

Closing the UK's closest signal interception facilities to the middle east wouldn't really help with UK security would it?

Why would operations in the UK be any cheaper than those conducted from Cyprus? Certainly Akrotiri offers all year round training facilities including an offshore range for fast jets. with far better weather conditions than the UK.

So I know whose argument I would term as "laughable".

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

Unless the economic afterburners were lit the day after the referendum then the UK was already in your cut and paste heaven.

Why did people therefore vote to leave the EU and put this at risk? The ECJ, sovereignty - let's not be silly.

People like you were predicting economic armageddon and I sense a real disappointment that it hasn't happened. Hense the increasing desperation in the remain camp as the clock winds down to brexit day.

setmefree2

Matt_L wrote: »

Has he, could you produce the transcript showing where he said this...

He has said this to the HoL select committee yesterday. Note, however, he never actually mentions any sum. He may see £20 billion as a favourable outcome for the EU or £50 billion. Who knows?

“The withdrawal agreement, on balance, will probably favor the union in terms of things like money and so on,” Davis told lawmakers in London. “Whereas the future relationship will favor both sides and will be important to both of us.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-31/davis-says-brexit-talks-to-resume-in-second-half-of-next-week-j9fu5vvo

setmefree2

EU demands £44 BILLION to start trade talks

German media reported that a group of EU countries, led by Angela Merkel, are taking a tough line over the Brexit bill ahead of December’s crunch EU Council summit.
On top of Britain’s commitment to cover its share of contributions up to the end of 2020 they want a firm cash offer on pensions and projects stretching into the future.
This would add at least an extra £26 billion to the bill, according to EU calculations, taking the total amount pledged by Britain up to an eye-watering £44 billion.
However, sources close to the negotiations also revealed that the bloc will attempt to soften the blow by withdrawing its demand that London covers the cost of relocating two EU agencies to the continent.

An source close to the negotiations told German business newspaper WirtschaftsWoche: “We want commitments from the British to the pensions and the joint payment obligations beyond the year 2020.”
The paper reports this would “require Prime Minister Theresa May to put 30 billion euros more on the table than so far promised” - a tough domestic sell for the embattled leader.

However, they will attempt to give the PM a boost by waiving the need for Britain to pay for the relocations of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and European Banking Authority (EBA) due to Brexit.
Moving the EMA out of Britain is expected to cost £527 million alone, with the prospect of UK taxpayers having to shell out for the process having enraged senior eurosceptics.
German media also reports that the bloc’s latest demands on finances does not mention any British share of liabilities in the future, such as covering defaults on loans paid out by the European Investment Bank.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/874111/Brexit-news-EU-demands-44-BILLION-start-trade-talks-German-media

setmefree2

Invisible Irish border possible after Brexit, says Swiss expert

He said a number of conditions would need to be met, including common border patrols involving UK and Irish staff.
He gave an example of German police helicopters flying in Switzerland with Swiss customs staff on board.
He said there would still need to be customs "control points" but those could be at locations away from the border, such as at business premises.
Dr Bock said there would also have to be an intelligence strategy, a pre-qualification system for trusted traders and a system for easing low-risk trade.

Only about 2% of consignments crossing the Swiss border have to be subject to physical checks, he said.
For bulk products like milk, which cross the border on a regular basis, he said it would be possible to have a system where traders make administrative returns on a monthly basis.
"You don't need a system where you stop every time at the border," said Dr Bock.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-41831685

Matt_L

Herzlos wrote: »

Is it the same experts?

It appears so, the very same people...

There are lies, damn lies and economic impact statements..

Do you think the EU will be producing their impact statements?

gfplux

Another Brexit minister finding he has to tell the truth when in front of a Parliamentary committee.

---
" Liam Fox admitted today the UK has not signed deals to continue free trade with countries who already have agreements with EU - meaning even more tariffs could go up after Brexit.

Appearing before the International Trade Select Committee this morning, Fox said the UK had conducted “initial discussions” with the 65 countries to continue trading on the same terms after Brexit.

Yet despite a tweet from former Trade Minister Lord Price claiming deals had already been struck, Fox was forced to admit nothing had been signed, and was merely “hopeful” agreements would be reached by March 2019."
---
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-trade-negotiations-liam-fox_uk_59f9d788e4b0d1cf6e91e4da

Moby

cogito wrote: »

You know nothing about me but if we are going to draw conclusions about each other, I might say that being tax resident in Luxembourg has insulated you from what is happening to ordinary people in Britain. What do you actually know about them? Not much is my guess.

The comments by mayonnaise and his sidekick are what you'd expect when they are unable to refute facts.

This is what has happened to people in Britain:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/01/brexit-vote-cost-niesr-economic-growth

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

I am glad to think that you and your family are enjoying good financial times since June 2016. Your belief that Britain is in better shape since then can only be based on your unique position.

The pot is calling the kettle black yet again I see. :hello: