Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Backbiter

Sorry if this has already been posted, but here's David Davis admitting what Brexit means in blunter terms than he and the Leave campaign used prior to the referendum:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1766641996918028/permalink/2016021725313386/

Backbiter

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Breitbart... :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

See where Breitbart appears on this chart of media bias:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28?mod=cx_politics&cx_navSource=cx_politics&cx_!!!!!other&cx_artPos=7#cxrecs_s

Nonsense damaging to public discourse....contains inaccurate, fabricated info

The Daily Mail is on the cup of that status and "propaganda, misleading info, unfair interpretations of the news", but Breitbart is a couple of rungs below even that rag.

wunferall

If we're resorting to Facebook posts presumably the Express is perfectly acceptable then. The EU has divisions and isn't as united as Barnier likes to pretend it is.

Former Polish minister says more EU countries will vote OUT if Brexit is a success

Speaking at the German Marshall Fund Brussels Forum this week, Mr Morawiecki said Mrs Merkel had lost her dominance in Europe since her dismal domestic election.

He was pressed on whether he had "different ideas of changing Europe to the Franco-German motor which is more integration, more centralisation, more Europe".

Mr Morawiecki fired back against this approach in Brussels, saying: "More Europe is simply a buzzword that is popular in certain countries.

"I heard just today that eight countries of the north in Europe – these are not from the Visegrad grouping but the Danes, the Dutch, they now oppose the domination of the Franco-German dimension."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/929664/Brexit-news-EU-UK-latest-deal-vote-European-Union-countries-2018-Germany-Italy-election

Backbiter

Arklight wrote: »

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Yes, Northern Ireland,

“it’s only an issue because the Irish themselves are making it one.”

:wall:

The same applies to Israel and Palestine.

wunferall

Yet more on EU divisions.
EU cracks: Barnier losing UNITY as these FOUR counties could stand up to 'struggling' bloc

Speaking exclusively to Express.co.uk shortly after meeting with the Frenchman, along with the Common's Committee for Exiting the EU, Mr Mackinlay named countries he thought were starting to see life “differently” to the rest of the bloc.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/929788/Brexit-news-EU-UK-Michel-Barnier-Theresa-May-Conservative-Party-European-Union-Brussels

There you go. Sorry remainers, it looks like your starry-eyed dreams of a content and happy EU-land exist only in your own delusional minds because even within the EU there are many unhappy with the unwieldy bureaucracy which is the EU.

Backbiter

wunferall wrote: »

If we're resorting to Facebook posts presumably the Express is perfectly acceptable then. The EU has divisions and isn't as united as Barnier likes to pretend it is.

Former Polish minister says more EU countries will vote OUT if Brexit is a success

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/929664/Brexit-news-EU-UK-latest-deal-vote-European-Union-countries-2018-Germany-Italy-election

The Facebook post showing Davis before the Commons committee? You think the Express is a comparable source to a Parliamentary video?

On the media bias chart I posted, the Express doesn't even rate a mention, but I have no doubt it would be somewhere between the Mail and Breitbart

Rinoa

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Breitbart...

Bringing you the news you don't want to hear.

It may be biased, but the quotes are still correct. Many EU members are not happy with the EU elite running the show.

Arklight

Rinoa wrote: »

Bringing you the [fake] news you don't want to hear.

It may be biased, but the quotes are still correct. Many EU members are not happy with the EU elite running the show.

Fixed that for you.

If Breitbart said the sky was blue I’d look outside.

Please use better sources.

wunferall

Backbiter wrote: »

The Facebook post showing Davis before the Commons committee? You think the Express is a comparable source to a Parliamentary video?

On the media bias chart I posted, the Express doesn't even rate a mention, but I have no doubt it would be somewhere between the Mail and Breitbart

When? And why could you not find a reputable source? Given those yes the Express is certainly a more valid and reliable source.

All media is biased to some degree or other even the BBC but since they are pro-EU you're going to ignore that together with how many more people watch BBC news than read Breitbart I suppose. What a surprise that would be from a staunch remainer since these seem to ignore everything that does not suit their pro-EU bias.

wunferall

Here's a reasonably balanced opinion piece from the Guardian.

The shambles of Brexit diverts attention from the EU’s democratic deficit

I considered voting for Brexit. After the referendum was agreed, but before the campaigning had begun, I could have gone either way. My issue was democracy. I didn’t like the fact that the European parliament could not initiate legislation; that turnout for European parliamentary elections had fallen 30% since the first elections in 1979; the way countries that voted “the wrong way” on EU referendums were effectively instructed to vote again (Denmark 1992; Ireland 2001, 2008) and get it right; the fact that Greece’s resounding democratic rejection of the terms of its bailout (2015) was treated with such contempt.

... the EU still needs to be democratised. The lack of accountability and transparency in its institutions leaves it susceptible to a vast array of haters and hucksters, from the far right to eccentric iconoclasts. This became clear again last weekend in Italy, where Eurosceptic parties – who floated the possibility of a referendum on ditching the euro – fared best. Across the continent the institutions associated with the EU are more tolerated than loved, leaving the EU ruling more by ambivalence than consent.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/09/brexit-eu-democratic-britain