Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

What don!!!8217;t you understand in the phrase a thousand cuts?

There's no relevance unless you are referring to the UK's austerity drive to spend taxpayers money better.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/20/tory-mps-sign-letter-to-theresa-may-outlining-hard-brexit-goals
The loons are stamping their feet.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/david-davis-brexit-speech-david-brent-eu-talks-vienna-a8219721.html

The longer this waking nightmare drags on, the harder it becomes not to warm, a little, to David Davis. As the Brexit Secretary flails about in the frothing waters of his cluelessness !!!8211; not waving, not drowning, just grinning blankly in a heroically misguided effort to project confidence !!!8211; familiarity breeds grudging affection.

If our future is in his hands, this may be what Stockholm syndrome would feel like if your captor was on secondment from the provisional Keystone Kops wing of Baader Meinhoff.

Davis!!!8217;s latest madcap attempt at reassuring us has been the highlight so far in the scintillating sequence of top level Cabinet speeches being officially marketed as !!!8220;The Road to Brexit!!!8221;.

That styling might remind some of Talking Heads single !!!8220;Road to Nowhere!!!8221;. But in the wake of Boris Johnson!!!8217;s keynote bletherfest of last week, and with tours de forces from Liam Fox and Michael Gove to follow, I reckon it!!!8217;s shaping into the movie franchise!!!8217;s most entertaining instalment since 1946!!!8217;s Road to Utopia, in which Bing Crosby and Bob Hope chance upon a hidden goldmine on their way to Alaska.

:rotfl:

Theophile

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/20/tory-mps-sign-letter-to-theresa-may-outlining-hard-brexit-goals
The loons are stamping their feet.

They're worried.
The opportunity window for a hard brexit is closing fast (if not closed already) and they know it.

Theophile

Even Boris joined the 'traitors'. :rotfl:

BORIS Johnson betrayed his own Brexit campaign by calling it “a mess” in a private meeting with senior German officials

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/921719/boris-johnson-brexit-mess-secret-meting-german-officials

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

Scaremongering or just scary?

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/02/20/aviation-cliff-edge-how-brexit-is-sabotaging-a-british-succe




Just one of hundreds of reasons we aren't going to leave without a deal.
Now I'm pretty sure we'll get a deal, but do we have the expertise to do this under the CAA? How many staff will we need to duplicate the functionality?

I will add The Aviation Industry to the list of those effected negatively.

gfplux

A list of areas and industries that may be affected in a NEGATIVE way after or during Brexit. Updated 21 February 2018

Belgian confectionary / chocolatiers
Danish pork industry
French agriculture
Spanish agriculture
Italian agriculture.
British Haulage industry
Any British manufacturing using EU components
Any British company with EU customers
Anyone who eats food
Germanys car Industry
Dutch flower growers
Rotterdam Port
Dover already damaged by large numbers of non EU immigrants landing and not moving on. Will be further damaged after Brexit.
Calais already damaged due to large number of non EU immigrants congregating in attempting to gain entry to the UK. Will be further damaged after Brexit
French wine makers
Holyhead Port
People/businesses close to the N Ireland/ROI Border
ROI
Japanese car makers in Britain
British Farmers during the withdrawal of £3 billion a year subsidies.
London Financial business.
Seasonal workers from the old Eastern Europe.
Aviation Industry

gfplux

A list of areas and industries that may be affected in a POSITIVE way after or during Brexit at 21 February 2018

British Farmers who embrace Mr Gove and his environmental initiatives and receive funds from the Government.
Indian citizens easier migration
African citizens easier migration
Chinese citizens easier migration
American Farmers
British flower growers
African flower growers

Looking for additions please. Thank you.

gfplux

I hear a lot about WTO rules, perhaps others do to.

These are constantly under review and updated. Anyone can get this information by registering with the WTO.
There are regular emails that detail these reviews. It is in English, French and Spanish.

This is the latest.
KOREA INITIATES WTO COMPLAINT AGAINST US ANTI-DUMPING, COUNTERVAILING DUTIES
Korea has requested WTO consultations with the United States concerning the use of !!!8220;facts available!!!8221; by US investigating authorities in anti-dumping and countervailing investigations. The request was circulated to WTO members on 20 February.
News item: https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news18_e/ds539rfc_20feb18_e.htm

TRADE POLICY REVIEW: EGYPT
The fourth review of the trade policies and practices of Egypt takes place on 20 and 22 February 2018. The basis for the review is a report by the WTO Secretariat and a report by the Government of Egypt.
TPR documents: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tpr_e/tp467_e.htm

gfplux

Great News, we will get some news today about Britains position on the transition period.
From Politico

QUOTE
SCOOP !!!8212; TRANSITION POSITION: Brexit Secretary David Davis will this morning set out Britain!!!8217;s official response to the EU!!!8217;s Brexit transition proposals, POLITICO!!!8217;s Tom McTague reveals. The U.K.!!!8217;s formal position was presented to European Commission bosses yesterday and will be laid before the U.K. parliament this morning via a written statement. DD will demand a mechanism to protect the U.K. from any !!!8220;harm!!!8221; caused by new EU rules and regulations introduced during the 20-month transition period, a Whitehall official tells McTague. But Brexiteers may be less impressed to learn Davis has chosen not to formally reject the EU!!!8217;s demand that all new migrants arriving during the transition period get full freedom of movement rights. Full story here for our Brexit pro subscribers
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Herzlos

This thread seems to largely reflect the conclusions I'm coming to on why Leave & Remain just can't understand each other. I genuinely don't think there's any solution either as both approaches are completely incompatible. I've spent nearly 2 years asking questions like "why?" and "what's the problem your trying to solve?" and getting pretty much nowhere.

https://twitter.com/garrethhayes/status/965318168028819456

What do people think? Will either side ever be able to understand the concerns of the other?

(any bets on who'll quote a Brexiteer half way down that somehow invalidates the whole argument).