Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

No flints or/and no furs = no trade.

That's literally his point.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

In the business world, it really does.
Not really; price is everything. Or at least nearly everything.

Yup, trade will continue.
Yay. Then why persist?

I didn't fail to realize that at all, I just didn't cover growth as it was irrelevant.
Of course it is when YOU try to say we will suffer. Growth is NOT suffering.

China produces valuable services, and it trades. That's a given, and it's also a given the same will be true of everyone, even North Korea.
The point exactly; keep going.

China has a horrendous reputation for Copyright violation and workers rights. Because of that it gets less trade than it otherwise would (from companies refusing to send work to China, to companies not being allowed to). The loss is impossible to quantify.
Exactly so, In other words sell what people want to buy. And we, the UK, do.

If the UK gets a reputation for agreeing to something and then reneging, or making threats, then it'll cost it good will and some quantifiable trade.
But you've just proved that it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
Would you continue trading as comfortably with someone who fails to uphold their end of the deal?

No, so the EU will struggle because they're not upholding THEIR end of the deal! (The UK is trying to but if the EU make it impossible ....)
Hurrah!
And you're ignoring the prospective future deals already publicised - USA; TPP; etc.
THEY know what the EU is attempting too.

gfplux

So thanks to Lornapink the list of areas and industries that may be affected in a NEGATIVE way after or during Brexit.

Belgian confectionary / chocolatiers
Danish pork industry
French agriculture
Spanish agriculture
Italian agriculture.
British Haulage industry
Any British manufacturing using EU components
Any British company with EU customers
Anyone who eats food
Germanys car Industry
Dutch flower growers
Rotterdam Port
Dover already damaged by large numbers of non EU immigrants landing and not moving on. Will be further damaged after Brexit.
Calais already damaged due to large number of non EU immigrants congregating in attempting to gain entry to the UK. Will be further damaged after Brexit
French wine makers
Holyhead Port
People/businesses close to the N Ireland/ROI Border
ROI
Japanese car makers in Britain
British Farmers during the withdrawal of £3 billion a year subsidies.
London Financial business.

Plus one from me.
Seasonal workers from the old Eastern Europe.

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

Yes at one time the only way to trade was for both parties to meet and swap their wares. We moved on from the basic bartering system a few millennia ago.

The basics remain the same.
You have what I want at how much I want to pay and a deal will be done.

gfplux

Here is another of those small cuts. Not so much about a very few jobs but a lot about influence.

https://www.ft.com/content/5498e616-1422-11e8-9376-4a6390addb44

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Here is another of those small cuts. Not so much about a very few jobs but a lot about influence.

Scraping the barrel these days.

T Rowe Price already has European operations in Madrid, Milan, Zurich, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Copenhagen and Stockholm.

The move will not affect jobs in the UK and will result in only a handful of new roles in Luxembourg

:think:

gfplux

I thought I would start a list of areas or industries that will be affected in a POSITIVE way after or during Brexit.

British Farmers who embrace Mr Gove and his environmental initiatives and receive funds from the Government.
Indian citizens easier migration
African citizens easier migration
Chinese citizens easier migration
American Farmers
British flower growers
African flower growers

Someone will be along very quickly to add to my list.

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

I thought I would start a list of areas or industries that will be affected in a POSITIVE way after or during Brexit.

British Farmers who embrace Mr Gove and his environmental initiatives and receive funds from the Government.
Indian citizens easier migration
African citizens easier migration
Chinese citizens easier migration
American Farmers
British flower growers
African flower growers

Someone will be along very quickly to add to my list.

You're making these up, aren't you?
If not, after the first line of your post show us any evidence (evidence please note, not hearsay) that any of those will be positively affected by Brexit?

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

That's literally his point.

Long ago the volume of posts drowned out what the original point really is, which is (in a nutshell) the fact that the EU and the UK must both agree to a deal before anybody pays anything.

Two other senior government officials familiar with the U.K. negotiating strategy confirmed holding back money was being considered as an emergency measure should Brussels not hold up its side of the bargain.

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-theresa-may-uk-to-eu-play-fair-or-we-wont-pay-our-bill/

Trying to argue that it's only the UK who would be breaking any deal in the event no agreement is reached then is a fallacious argument.
In that case if there were to be any global feelings regarding lack of trust beyond the EU & UK (which let's be honest isn't all that likely) they would affect the EU at least as much as they would the UK.
In fact probably the EU more considering the obstinacy shown by them towards the UK as well as towards other countries.

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

Here is another of those small cuts. Not so much about a very few jobs but a lot about influence.

https://www.ft.com/content/5498e616-1422-11e8-9376-4a6390addb44

You will surely fall foul of those grumbling about paywalled content, as your link is.
Or maybe not since your post is not pro-Brexit?


So, what about the influence of Deutsche Bank's new 25-year lease or Sumimoto Mitsui bank's new 20-year lease or the rest of continued UK-bound banking/finance that has been posted before in this thread?
That sounds like far more influence than a handful of jobs which will centralise one player's existing EU presence , doesn't it?
More-so when no UK jobs will be affected they say.