Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Tromking

Theophile wrote: »

Indeed. Better paid work in Europe, much better economic conditions also. And a better quality of life.

A win-win by the looks of it.
EU workers improve their lot and UK citizens get the benefit of rising wages and less pressure on our vital public services.

Herzlos

If you can get UK citizens to do the jobs the migrants are leaving behind, at a cost that still leaves a viable business.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

If you can get UK citizens to do the jobs the migrants are leaving behind, at a cost that still leaves a viable business.

A business being viable has nothing to do with Brexit per se.

wunferall

Theophile wrote: »

Wrong thread maybe?
The relevance of this to Brexit is....?

:rotfl:
So others also not wanting further integration like the UK chose with Brexit isn't relevant to Brexit?
:rotfl:
I suppose this won't be either then, in your eyes?

Germany’s Social Democrats sank further into chaos on Tuesday as resistance grew to plans to appoint Andrea Nahles caretaker leader to help end a turbulent six days after the party agreed a coalition deal with Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservatives.

With many SPD rank and file harbouring misgivings about sharing power with Merkel again, the result of the vote, due on March 4, is wide open. If members vote ‘no’ to the coalition deal, a new election looks the most likely option.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-politics-spd/leadership-row-drags-spd-into-new-crisis-after-merkel-coalition-deal-idUKKBN1FX1AK

Our government is weak is it?

Compared to Germany (and the Netherlands, and more) it's a beacon of stability and common sense. No extremist far-right seats in our parliament (in Germany the AfD have 94) and even if we were to have another election soon we wouldn't see any - unlike Germany that looks likely to see more if this coalition isn't approved.

Please let's have none of the "have you read it" nastiness in whatever any reply will be because it's unnecessary.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

A business being viable has nothing to do with Brexit per se.

Indeed not. But "driving up staff wages" doesn't always have the result you'd expect. Will supermarkets be able to pay farmers more for the same product with higher wages? Will the public pay the supermarkets more for the same product with higher wages? Will that price difference affect competition with other equivalent goods?

How much do we need to pay British workers to do the same job?

fewgroats

Isn't everything that Brexit effects connected with Brexit? We must face the consequences here and live with it, instead of using spin?

Theophile

Tromking wrote: »

A win-win by the looks of it.
EU workers improve their lot and UK citizens get the benefit of rising wages and less pressure on our vital public services.

Not sure why UK citizens wages would rise if our agricultural/food processing/hospitality businesses can't attract enough staff and UK citizens won't pick up these roles.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Indeed not. But "driving up staff wages" doesn't always have the result you'd expect. Will supermarkets be able to pay farmers more for the same product with higher wages? Will the public pay the supermarkets more for the same product with higher wages? Will that price difference affect competition with other equivalent goods?

How much do we need to pay British workers to do the same job?

Many aspects to running a business. Wages being only one. Totally unrelated to Brexit.

Theophile

wunferall wrote: »

:rotfl:
So others also not wanting further integration like the UK chose with Brexit isn't relevant to Brexit?
:rotfl:
I suppose this won't be either then, in your eyes?


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-politics-spd/leadership-row-drags-spd-into-new-crisis-after-merkel-coalition-deal-idUKKBN1FX1AK

Our government is weak is it?

Compared to Germany (and the Netherlands, and more) it's a beacon of stability and common sense. No extremist far-right seats in our parliament (in Germany the AfD have 94) and even if we were to have another election soon we wouldn't see any - unlike Germany that looks likely to see more if this coalition isn't approved.

Please let's have none of the "have you read it" nastiness in whatever any reply will be because it's unnecessary.

You keep coming up with those stories about Visegrad countries refusing to accept refugees, the Poles moaning about cutting a forest and coalition talks in Germany taking time.
So my question stands : the relevance to Brexit is....?

Herzlos

ilovehouses wrote: »

So much for having to leave before we became part of the United States of Europe.

USoE only became a concern when the other arguments were squashed. It never came up until long after the vote.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Many aspects to running a business. Wages being only one. Totally unrelated to Brexit.

You'd need to take some serious mental leaps to claim that staff shortages aren't related to running a business, or to claim the staff shortages somehow aren't caused by Brexit.