Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

Theophile wrote: »

You keep coming up with those stories about Visegrad countries refusing to accept refugees, the Poles moaning about cutting a forest and coalition talks in Germany taking time.
So my question stands : the relevance to Brexit is....?

Something about the EU not being united against us, and that it's about to fall apart so we need to get out ASAP, I think.

Theophile

ilovehouses wrote: »

I could do with a glide path to an early retirement that includes 3 or 4 years of picking daffodils and cabbages in Cornwall for £15/ hour.

You conveniently forgot that Moroccan or Canadian daffodils will be so much cheaper once we go 'tariff free'.

Tromking

ilovehouses wrote: »

I could do with a glide path to an early retirement that includes 3 or 4 years of picking daffodils and cabbages in Cornwall for £15/ hour.

I doubt when push comes to shove you, or any other consumer, will be willing to pay me that much.

No harm in having a dream though.

Consumers don’t pay wages, employers do.
Plenty of evidence via our friend google that mass immigration from the EU has depressed wages in the UK and encouraged businesses not to invest in automation and more efficient working practices as a result.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

You'd need to take some serious mental leaps to claim that staff shortages aren't related to running a business, or to claim the staff shortages somehow aren't caused by Brexit.

Thought that we were discussing wages. Not the lack of trained people. Which is a different agenda altogether.

In case you haven't noticed. Brexit hasn't occured yet. People wishing to travel to the UK to work still can.

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

Not directly but it's not that abstract to point out that the consumer decides.

Likewise consumers expect their pensions to provide good returns. You can't have your cake and eat it.

A consumer is in themselves being or has been paid to work. Consumers are also the electorate.

cogito

Tromking wrote: »

Consumers don’t pay wages, employers do.

Of course consumers pay wages. Where else do businesses get the money from?

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

Are we stopping people coming here in transition period I though the problem was we dont want people arriving during transition period to have same rights as those arriving before.

That’s what I also though Britains new position is.
However if that is the case anyone arriving in the UK after the end March 2019 would have to be registered/checked in some way to ensure they don’t claim to have arrived before that cut off date.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

However if that is the case anyone arriving in the UK after the end March 2019 would have to be registered/checked in some way to ensure they don’t claim to have arrived before that cut off date.

Easy enough to do. Aren't all passports scanned on entry?

Tromking

cogito wrote: »

Of course consumers pay wages. Where else do businesses get the money from?

You need to read the post I was responding to.

Rough_Justice

gfplux wrote: »

All those rich Brits will be very upset with this news.

http://www.europeanscom.eu/loch-fyne-oysters-boss-fears-future-eu-workers-stay-home-brexit/

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THE boss of one of Scotland’s best known seafood companies has outlined his fears for the business post-Brexit after one third of staff expected to arrive from the continent in last year’s peak season didn’t turn up.

Cameron Brown has said the UK’s divorce from the European Union was already “presenting many challenges” to Loch Fyne Oysters.

And he called for clarity from the UK government on its plans for future trade deals and labour movement.
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Did you really read it because you seem to have missed this bit:

That meant we had to top up with agency staff and overtime which cost the business substantially in fees. My fear is that next year it could be even worse.

There's a simple answer.
Accept that the lower £ means that less find it financially attractive to come here (especially to a cold & wet Scotland) and raise the wage you're offering.
According to the earlier part of that post it should be affordable, especially with a total of 125 workers at the height of the season and under a third of these being seasonal workers.
If it really isn't affordable then TBH they maybe don't deserve to be in business.

Loch Fyne Oysters, which celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, turns over £14 million, has doubled its international sales in the last two years, and has invested in increasing capacity in order to double sales of its smoked goods

I wonder how much this boss Cameron Brown pays himself?