Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

Look mate I don't really care about some anonymous posters claim about how well they've done in life. No-one really knows do they! I do care however that working people in this country are putting their futures in the hands of brexiteer loons who do not have their best interests at heart.


Yep I agree life is simple for you brexiteers isn't it. Goes with the territory I suppose.

No my point stands. I went to China recently. They have huge growth. Their quality of life however is a nightmare imo. Their growth has created an environmental disaster.

:rotfl:
So conversely now you're thinking that a recession and your alleged non-increase in pay must therefore be a good thing then? And you want to see the UK in recession and Brexit to be a failure for that reason?
You're just contradicting yourself right, left & centre really.

Don't call me "mate" because that is something that I suspect you and I could never be. Your so-called "Brexiteer loons" have ordinary people's interests at heart far more than the denialist EU-funded remainers, that's obvious. If you're scared of change that's fine but just as with your comment about people, nobody knows what the future holds do they?

What we do know is that the signs so far are nowhere near as bad as you Europhiles persist in trying to tell us they are.


Oh and BTW, if I were intent upon really upsetting you I would tell you exactly how much my pay has risen in the last eight years. Even with the (relatively small) effects of inflation and before taking investments into account I suspect you would turn puce.
(The recent stock market fall has had some effect, but minimal overall.)

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

How can we possibly leave the Customs Union and Single Market and have no border controls in Ireland. It's untenable!

If you persist in a blinkered view of course it is.
Think outside the box.

Rinoa

Moby wrote: »

How can we possibly leave the Customs Union and Single Market and have no border controls in Ireland. It's untenable!

The UK is happy with no border. It's your beloved EU who will insist on one.

But that won't stop you blaming the UK for its imposition.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

I was curious about the team given the responsibility of making the speeches. Clearly May is PM, so can see that. Davis, Johnson and Fox, not my idea of a dream team, but I get why them, as they have been in their Brexit related roles some time. I did however wonder about David Lidington (never heard of him), and wondered how he got to make a speech over his remain campaigning cabinet colleagues.

Is this a sign that we're veering towards a hard brexit? I have no idea, but by googling David Lidington, it turns out that he is responsible for "overseeing devolution consequences of EU exit".
https://www.gov.uk/government/people/david-lidington

David Lidington is unknown to me.
More from Politico suggests the War Cabinet will get all their story’s straight before they speak so I am looking for a single direction from them all that will help me understand the Brexit that Britain wants.
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The most high-profile of the speeches will be the prime minster’s address at the Munich security conference on Saturday (as first revealed by POLITICO). In the Sunday Times, Tim Shipman has a preview, reporting that May will seek to remain part of the European arrest warrant and Europol after Brexit as part of a wider offer to continue security cooperation. It’s all part of a plan to “grease the wheels” of a trade deal. Before she travels to Munich, however, she will hold an away day at Chequers for her Brexit war cabinet to thrash out an agreement on what Britain wants from Brexit.
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gfplux

This is one of the small things that passes by almost un noticed.
It is my believe that collected together all these very small economic things will be much larger than any economic advantage for Britain of leaving the EU.
Oh by the way what were those economic arguments again?

Let!!!8217;s get back to that little economic nic in the skin.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/11/british-farmer-moves-fruit-growing-to-china-over-brexit-uncertainty

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One of the biggest growers of berries in the UK is moving part of its business to China because it cannot guarantee it will find enough fruit pickers available to work.
Up to 200 seasonal jobs have gone at Haygrove!!!8217;s farm in Ledbury, Herefordshire, and some of the company!!!8217;s raspberry and blueberry-growing will be relocated to Yunnan province in China because of uncertainty over migrant labour due to Brexit.

Angus Davison, the founder of Haygrove, said: !!!8220;In the UK we employ 230 full-time and 1,150 seasonal workers, but we are now reducing that to 950 because of Brexit nervousness.!!!8221; The company has a turnover of £101m.

!!!8220;We are already out of time,!!!8221; he says, explaining that he can!!!8217;t afford to wait for Theresa May to reveal her immigration policy as this year!!!8217;s harvest was planned last year.

Davison has written to Theresa May, pleading with her to take urgent action. !!!8220;Unless a seasonal workers scheme is put in place, you must expect to see the steep decline of this significant rural employer and source of food,!!!8221; he wrote.

!!!8220;It is appreciated that treating one industry differently to another is difficult; however agriculture, unlike construction and hospitality, can be exported. If enough people are not made available to do the work, the work can be taken to the people.!!!8221;
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BobQ

ukcarper wrote: »

What cause problems is people like Chukka ummana saying we accept the result of referendum when they clearly dont I voted remain and am not happy with the way things are progressing but I think its obvious that people who voted leave did not want 4 freedoms to continue and any solution that ignores that is not accepting the result.

Disagreeing with the post Brexit solution is not the same as not respecting the result of the referendum.

The referendum was advisory, our politicians must do what is in the best interests of the country. Anyone who voted leave and wanted to have the UK join EFTA is not disrespecting the result by saying so. Neither is someone who voted remain and now favours Brexit via joining EFTA.

The ballot paper did not say "vote now and forever hold your peace", nor did it mention the 4 freedoms let alone rejecting all of them

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

Disagreeing with the post Brexit solution is not the same as not respecting the result of the referendum.

The referendum was advisory, our politicians must do what is in the best interests of the country. Anyone who voted leave and wanted to have the UK join EFTA is not disrespecting the result by saying so. Neither is someone who voted remain and now favours Brexit via joining EFTA.

The ballot paper did not say "vote now and forever hold your peace", nor did it mention the 4 freedoms let alone rejecting all of them

I don’t object to people disagreeing with the result of referendum but at least they should be honest and say that they do not accept it. Although it wasn’t mentioned on ballot paper It is obvious to me that leave voters do not want be subject to the four freedoms and if I can see that so can the the like of Chuka Ummana and by pushing for solutions that include them they are not accepting the result.

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

Disagreeing with the post Brexit solution is not the same as not respecting the result of the referendum.

The referendum was advisory, our politicians must do what is in the best interests of the country. Anyone who voted leave and wanted to have the UK join EFTA is not disrespecting the result by saying so. Neither is someone who voted remain and now favours Brexit via joining EFTA.

The ballot paper did not say "vote now and forever hold your peace", nor did it mention the 4 freedoms let alone rejecting all of them

I don’t object to people disagreeing with the result of referendum but at least they should be honest and say that they do not accept it. Although it wasn’t mentioned on ballot paper It is obvious to me that leave voters do not want be subject to the four freedoms and if I can see that so can the the like of Chuka Ummana and by pushing for solutions that include them they are not accepting the result.

Moby

Rinoa wrote: »

The UK is happy with no border. It's your beloved EU who will insist on one.

But that won't stop you blaming the UK for its imposition.

......but I thought the whole point of Brexit was to take control of our borders?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/feb/09/northern-ireland-will-stay-in-single-market-after-brexit-eu-says

It seems there may be a fudge to keep N Ireland in the Customs Union..........but that's surely going to cause serious issues for rUK?

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

nor did it mention the 4 freedoms let alone rejecting all of them

Nor should the EU impose them on the British people. Or use them as stick to beat us with. The relationship is going to end.