Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

Not trying to play the man here but it looks like you didn't you read the article, nor listened to the broadcast. Again.

So, basically, simply a confirmation that we won't be getting a 'have cake and eat it' deal. Not really news is it?

If that is your opinion why the need for an unnecessary attempt at sarcasm; if you were so certain, the facts would speak for themselves.
But they don't, do they - because you are wrong.

So yes you are trying to "play the man" with your "it looks like you didn't you read the article" which again frankly is unnecessary and in honesty applies far more to you for the following reason:
I note your selective quote which makes me wonder why you missed this bit which directly follows your selection?

That's what they don't want. They want to keep the UK close, but they want to keep the UK close and locked in.
They are terrified about us becoming this super competitive country just right close to them and sucking in business that they would then lose out on.
So, absolutely, they are very worried about that.

Rather than your interpretation which is obviously skewed by your deliberate selective use of what was said it is fairly obvious that the EU are in fact blustering (like you are, perhaps?) because they realise that the UK will be far better-placed to take advantage of global opportunities - and this scares the poop out of them.

As has been said before: It is much easier to agree something yourself as opposed to with 27 others, which the EU will soon become.

It looks very much then like it's only "not news" because you don't like it.

Rinoa

http://www.cityam.com/280385/brexit-plan-soon-revealed-theresa-may-new-speech-outlining

Over the coming weeks PM and ministers will be making speeches outlining the road to Brexit.

Theresa May , Boris, Davis and Fox will make speeches. Remainers Hammond and Rudd won't. Is that a clue as to what direction we will be taking? :T

tracey3596

This is from the end of January but shows very clearly that even within the EU there is a sense of disbelief regarding the EU's handling of Brexit, this example being from the deputy mayor of Versailles.

A FRENCH politician has claimed that Britain's post-Brexit future is positive - something which has made the EU jealous, as he mocked those who predicted a "cataclysm" in the wake of Brexit.

Mr Bellamy said: "The EU’s address to the UK is very hard, punishing, with the goal of stopping other countries from leaving.
"As a consequence of this punishing approach, there’s naturally a psychological repercussion on UK investments.
"That's the reason for the small mess - but it's far from the catastrophic chaos that was announced.
"We were told it would be a cataclysm, the ruin of the UK, but until now, apart from some EU agencies moving, there hasn’t been much that has happened."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/907840/Fran-ois-Xavier-Bellamy-Brexit-France-British-economy-Germany-EU-scaremongering

If that doesn't suit (since some of you don't like the Express, even when it includes videos very clearly showing what has been said) try this from Pierre Gramegna who is Luxembourg's finance minister:

"There are many people out there who are trying to punish the United Kingdom without saying it — if you ask them they will deny it," he said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/24/brexit-many-in-europe-wish-to-punish-the-uk-for-leaving-the-eu-says-luxembourg-finance-minister.html

There are more but the dissenters would only accuse me of excessive Googling, if only because they don't like what I post.

Regardless, the point is that no-one issues threats unless they are truly worried.

Herzlos

tracey3596 wrote: »

If that is your opinion why the need for an unnecessary attempt at sarcasm; if you were so certain, the facts would speak for themselves.
But they don't, do they - because you are wrong.

So yes you are trying to "play the man" with your "it looks like you didn't you read the article" which again frankly is unnecessary and in honesty applies far more to you for the following reason:
I note your selective quote which makes me wonder why you missed this bit which directly follows your selection?
Rather than your interpretation which is obviously skewed by your deliberate selective use of what was said it is fairly obvious that the EU are in fact blustering (like you are, perhaps?) because they realise that the UK will be far better-placed to take advantage of global opportunities - and this scares the poop out of them.

As has been said before: It is much easier to agree something yourself as opposed to with 27 others, which the EU will soon become.

It looks very much then like it's only "not news" because you don't like it.

Did you actually read the article?

In what way is the UK better placed to take advantage of global opportunities?
All the trade deals we don't have? Our convenient location in the world? Our hard hitting and decisive negotiating teams?

What markets are we going to capitalise on? What do we have that they want?

Herzlos

tracey3596 wrote: »

There are more but the dissenters would only accuse me of excessive Googling, if only because they don't like what I post.

More that you don't read the links you post, few of which support your arguments. It's tedious and I'm sure you're capable of better.

So there's some dissent around the eurozone about how it's being handled. How does it help us? The eu is apparently a dictatorship.

Some people think we'll do we'll outside the eu. I can't see how but I hope they are right.

Incredible_1

Herzlos wrote: »

Did you actually read the article?

In what way is the UK better placed to take advantage of global opportunities?
All the trade deals we don't have? Our convenient location in the world? Our hard hitting and decisive negotiating teams?

What markets are we going to capitalise on? What do we have that they want?

Rubbish!
Brexit is coming, together with all that entails and you very obviously just don't like it so (like other remainers on here) you have to resort to sarcasm or belittling which doesn't work, by the way. As that poster says in a post you desperately try to pick holes in but can't, why the need for the sarcasm and belittling if you are right? Because if you were right, the facts would talk for themselves. But they don't so the desperate last resort of belittling is used.
Well if you were right it might work but you're very obviously not.
Without even having to resort to links as evidence,

It is much easier to agree something yourself as opposed to with 27 others

You surely cannot argue with that? (though no doubt you will either try to or again belittle.)
I get the impression that you are not interested in debate. No, there's another less pleasant word to describe all that you appear to be interested in.

Incredible_1

Herzlos wrote: »

More that you don't read the links you post, few of which support your arguments. It's tedious and I'm sure you're capable of better.

So there's some dissent around the eurozone about how it's being handled. How does it help us? The eu is apparently a dictatorship.

Some people think we'll do we'll outside the eu. I can't see how but I hope they are right.

I haven't seen so much squirming since I played with worms in the garden as a youngster!
:rotfl:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43021291
Read that.
Note who is going to be setting out plans.
Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davis and Liam Fox.
None of your remainers.
Which suggests the direction Brexit is going, doesn't it?
No wonder sour-faced Soubry is trying to get her oar in now.


Then have a read of this (if you can, since it's paywalled but you will get the idea from what is visible).

Michel Barnier has 'fractured the EU by stepping up his aggression towards Britain'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/10/michel-barnier-risking-uk-walkout-eu-states-fear/
If you don't get the idea from that and you can possibly cope with the shame of it there's a similar piece in the Daily Mail here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5377577/Barnier-faces-EU-backlash-aggressive-approach.html

A Whitehall source told the Sunday Telegraph that French figures had voiced anger at the 'lack of consultation' on a draft document published by Mr Barnier on Wednesday.

Nordic and Eastern European countries were also 'fracturing' from the coalition following the 'aggressive political opening salvo'.

Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski, who chairs the all-party parliamentary group on Poland, said: 'In private, many Polish politicians are expressing regret at the Commission not treating Britain with due consideration and respect.'

All you're doing by saying posters aren't reading what they post when it contains what they said just as I have done there is making yourself look more foolish.
I mean really; how do fractures in the EU help the UK with Brexit?
:rotfl:
Besides these countries having the final say you mean or worse, blaming to EU when it all goes t1 ts-up and leaves swathes of the EU in difficulty?

Read what is posted and you will see why so many think that the UK will do well outside the EU. Including many within the EU, by the way, as has been touched-upon in earlier posts.

Incredible_1

Another explanation of just some of the benefits of leaving the EU.
"The costs and benefits of leaving the EU institutions."

One would expect the UK media to play a role in explaining the consequences. Instead they obsess with false narratives like Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit when in fact there is only Brexit. They jump on every statement from the EU as if it is an inevitable and final outcome rather than one side simply stating their preferred position. They discuss the minutiae of fifteen-year forecasts as if they will surely unfold, despite being based on a demonstrably flawed gravity model.

Last Autumn the office for budget responsibility revised down the economic growth forecast. Last week the Bank of England revised it up. They can’t get it right one season to the next, but we are supposed to believe Treasury knows best. They don’t – and they have proved it.

https://altnewsmedia.net/politics/costs-benefits-leaving-eu-institutions/

Moby

wunferall wrote: »

Well maybe if you had listened to those whose experience had led them to make their fortunes when you were younger you might have been sufficiently influenced to have chosen a career that had given you regular pay rises over the past eight years.
I did, and I have. (I am not alone in that either.)

It's interesting that you choose to compare the UK to a former colony too.
Seemingly you are unaware that Hong Kong's average GDP growth in the last 40-odd years has averaged over 5% or that their services sector is by far the largest contributor to their GDP. In 2017 growth is estimated to be 4.3% FYI.

So for that alone I personally am pleased that at last you are beginning to realise that the UK can indeed become (how did you phrase it? Ah yes ..) "a new Hong Kong".
You're right; much better than a troubled Germany, isn't it?
:T

Very smug of you to say so and well done but actually I chose to work in public services. I was just pointing out how this Govmt treats it's workers and predicting from that what our future is likely to be in the future with those right wing loons driving brexit. Some of us are not so shallow to measure worth by GDP either but I recognise that may be something you would find difficult to comprehend.;)

Moby

Rinoa wrote: »

http://www.cityam.com/280385/brexit-plan-soon-revealed-theresa-may-new-speech-outlining

Over the coming weeks PM and ministers will be making speeches outlining the road to Brexit.

Theresa May , Boris, Davis and Fox will make speeches. Remainers Hammond and Rudd won't. Is that a clue as to what direction we will be taking? :T

Boris, Davis and Fox:eek:
This country is split down the middle and those names are hardly going to unify it. So whatever the speeches say ....get ready for years of strife. ......because that is our future. The idea of a resurgent UK looking beyond the EU is mainly the pipe dream of angry old white males.