Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

This is what Politico says is happening today.



Theresa May will convene her Brexit !!!8220;war Cabinet!!!8221; today as her divided government starts to thrash out its position on the future relationship with Europe. But a senior Whitehall official has told POLITICO!!!8217;s Tom McTague there will be no final decisions made this week, despite the huge pressure from Brussels for Britain to spell out exactly what it wants from Phase 2 of the Brexit talks. Instead, the two big war Cabinet summits scheduled for this afternoon and tomorrow morning will merely be precursors for further talks between senior ministers later in February. !!!8220;There will be no final agreement on the future relationship until at least next week, and possibly even later this month,!!!8221; McTague reports. !!!8220;A decision on the future customs set-up with the EU is even further away.!!!8221;

Agenda: Today!!!8217;s two-hour meeting will be held in Downing Street and is scheduled to begin at 1.15 p.m., roughly half an hour after the end of PMQs. Immigration and Ireland are the two main items for discussion. Tomorrow the group will reconvene at 11 a.m. to discuss the U.K.!!!8217;s future relationship with Europe.

Who will be there? Eleven ministers in total: Prime Minister Theresa May !!!8230; Cabinet Office Minister David Lidington !!!8230; Chancellor Philip Hammond !!!8230; Home Secretary Amber Rudd !!!8230; Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson !!!8230; Brexit Secretary David Davis !!!8230; International Trade Secretary Liam Fox !!!8230; Business Secretary Greg Clark !!!8230; Environment Secretary Michael Gove !!!8230; Defense Secretary Gavin Williamson !!!8230; and Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley. Senior Whitehall officials including Olly Robbins and Jeremy Heywood will also likely be present.

Scores on the doors: Lidington, Hammond, Rudd and Clark are all arch-Remainers !!!8230; Johnson, Davis, Fox and Gove are all committed Brexiteers !!!8230; Which leaves May, Williamson and Bradley as slightly more random factors. All three campaigned for Remain, but insist they now embrace Brexit as the best way forward for the country.

Matt_L

Arklight wrote: »

Democracy is what is happening. The issue you appear to be grappling with is that it didn!!!8217;t just stop the day after the referendum.

If you stepped from your echo chamber of red faced and angry from Worcestershires you would realise that most people accept that Brexit will happen, but reject the version that you and 52% of those that voted leave want.

In 20 years half the people who voted Leave will be dead and we will most probably be back in.

What you meant to say...

gfplux

Not really off topic.

With the anniversary of women and working class men getting the vote those that can vote should put May 3rd in their diary.
There will be many places holding council elections and in the past turnouts of 30 to 35% should shame us all.
If you have the opportunity to vote dont forget how long and hard the fight was to give it to us.

Arklight

Matt_L wrote: »

What you meant to say...

Well you'll be delighted about the prospect of a second referendum on a deal then.

As you're all so unified.

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

Democracy is what is happening. The issue you appear to be grappling with is that it didn!!!8217;t just stop the day after the referendum.

If you stepped from your echo chamber of red faced and angry from Worcestershires you would realise that most people accept that Brexit will happen, but reject the version that you want.

In 20 years half the people who voted Leave will be dead and we will most probably be back in.

.....and who’s to say that after a decade or so of blissful divergence from the EU that todays Leave voters will not have been replaced by a younger cohort of Leave voters happy with the status quo.
I’m personally more than happy to let democracy take us where it will as regards Brexit. Unlike some Remain voters it has to be said.
If the polls suggesting a buyers remorse type scenario are correct as regards Brexit, I would expect the Lib Dem’s to make sweeping gains in the local elections in May.
As an aside, you do realise that the only poster coming across as “red-faced and angry” is you. Your posts and their bitter invective betray you every time.

Herzlos

Moby wrote: »

Being European means far more to me than being British. I'm actually Welsh so have always been used to being opressed by the big neighbour;)

Ditto, except Scottish. We're used to real power grabs from London.

Matt_L wrote: »

What you meant to say...

I didn't realise all 52% of leave voters wanted the same thing, since there's at least 4 different severities of "leave".

Assuming a roughly even split, hard Brexiteers are only making up about 13% of the vote.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

.....and who!!!8217;s to say that after a decade or so of blissful divergence from the EU that todays Leave voters will not have been replaced by a younger cohort of Leave voters happy with the status quo.

If we get a decade of blissful divergence, then you'd be right.
If it's a disaster, we're going to have an entire generation wanting back in. Leave "won" by the narrowest margin, bolstered by the older generations, so and shift in demographic would easily sway it to a rejoin vote.

I don't think it's fair to equate LD votes with Brexit remorse - people vote for parties for different reasons and LD's took a massive credibility hit with the Tory sell-out.

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

If we get a decade of blissful divergence, then you'd be right.
If it's a disaster, we're going to have an entire generation wanting back in. Leave "won" by the narrowest margin, bolstered by the older generations, so and shift in demographic would easily sway it to a rejoin vote.

I don't think it's fair to equate LD votes with Brexit remorse - people vote for parties for different reasons and LD's took a massive credibility hit with the Tory sell-out.

It is nice thought.

If in a few years some Brits wanted to rejoin they would have to recognise that they would have to rejoin under normal terms and join the Euro.
I can not see this as a possibility in under a 20 year timescale.

However nothing is forever. Just like Britain in the EU, The Berlin Wall, Stalin or the slave trade. They all seem a long time but in the overall scheme of life they are just a blink of the eye.

Theophile

tracey3596 wrote: »

Fair enough but is this attempt likely to work, do you think?
I mean, it's only been how long now and still no coalition?
FOUR MONTHS.
And even though the SPD have agreed to talk about forming a coalition it's by no means a certainty.
Mutti ain't safe yet.

Not safe yet, but getting close.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42973419

Merkel's conservatives and SPD clinch deal

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

I didn't realise all 52% of leave voters wanted the same thing, since there's at least 4 different severities of "leave".

Nor did I realise that 48% of remain voters all wanted the same kind of remain. Did they want a soft remain whereby the staus quo was maintained, a hard remain where the UK became part of a federal state or something in between?