Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

More bad news .......... for the remainers desperate to show that the UK is doomed because of Brexit.

The confidence of British households rose at the fastest pace in a year in January, suggesting the Brexit-bound economy might hold up better than expected again this year, according to a survey published on Tuesday.

Polling firm YouGov and the Centre for Economics and Business Research, a consultancy, said their consumer confidence index rose to 108.2 from 107.1 in December, helped by growing optimism among households about their finances.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy/uk-consumers-turn-more-confident-at-start-of-2018-yougov-cebr-idUKKBN1FJ00P

So UK households are more optimistic about their finances.
No wonder hardline remoaners are so desperately straw-clutching.
Their attempts at subverting a democratic vote aren't working.

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

Merkel and a room full of journalists laugh at May's handling of the Brexit negotiations:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-theresa-may-brexit-demands-press-briefing-davos-eu-talks-a8183436.html

The German's do hubris very well.
When your constitution precludes the use of referenda, it's easy to scoff at the tortuous machinations that sometimes occur when a nation has trust in its own people to make a big decision.
Why does Germany not trust its people with a referendum I wonder?:)

Herzlos

tracey3596 wrote: »

The EU are a single entity; as one. All with a single purpose. According to Eurocrats trying to present a united front, anyway.

I know this straw man keeps coming up, but no-one has said the EU is united in all ways. In the ways that matter to us - how to handle Brexit, they are uncharacteristically uniform - the last meeting took 2 minutes to come to an agreement.

tracey3596 wrote: »

More bad news .......... for the remainers desperate to show that the UK is doomed because of Brexit.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy/uk-consumers-turn-more-confident-at-start-of-2018-yougov-cebr-idUKKBN1FJ00P

So UK households are more optimistic about their finances.
No wonder hardline remoaners are so desperately straw-clutching.
Their attempts at subverting a democratic vote aren't working.

I wonder if this optimism is based on the likelihood of a softer Brexit?

Enterprise_1701C

ilovehouses wrote: »

Referenda are stupid and divisive.

The Irish are having a referendum on abortion - you can just imagine how that 'debate' is going to go down. All because the people they elect to make the hard decisions don't actually have the balls to make the hard decisions.

No, it's because they have the balls to trust the PEOPLE to decide what they want

Tromking

ilovehouses wrote: »

Referenda are stupid and divisive.

Have you always felt that way, or has a referendum held recently changed your mind?

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

Referenda are stupid and divisive.

The Irish are having a referendum on abortion - you can just imagine how that 'debate' is going to go down. All because the people they elect to make the hard decisions don't actually have the balls to make the hard decisions.

They seem to work pretty well in Switzerland.

Referenda are fine except to those who disagree with the results.

Rough_Justice

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's called washing your hands of the matter.

Nothing at all to do with the EU then?

Ireland ordered to loosen abortion laws by Council of Europe

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-abortion-laws-council-europe-orders-to-loosen-a7658976.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/eu-report-womens-health-abortion-3732024-Dec2017/

Rough_Justice

I've just read an earlier post about some EU members siding with the Swiss regarding Brussels and the stock exchange, followed by someone calling it a "straw man" argument.
Absolute bull poop TBH & makes you wonder whether the poster knows what the term "straw man" means.
There's discontent across the EU as individuals even within their nations struggle to come to terms with the effects of EU policies.

Without even having to mention the eastern states, take Germany for example.
Busily building profitability yet citizens increasingly unhappy about funding poorer fellow member countries and demanding better conditions for themselves as a priority:

Emboldened by the fastest economic growth in six years and record low unemployment, the union is demanding an 8 percent pay rise over 27 months for 3.9 million metals and engineering workers across Germany.

The union has also asked for workers to be given the right to reduce their weekly hours to 28 from 35 to care for children, elderly or sick relatives, and return to full time after two years.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-wages/german-industrial-strikes-to-hit-daimler-porsche-idUKKBN1FJ214?il=0

France too has strikes because of austerity measures:

France’s prisons ombdusman said on Friday that inmates in overcrowded jails were on the verge of mutinying as two weeks of work stoppages by wardens over pay and other complaints had made conditions intolerable.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-security/french-prisons-on-brink-of-blowout-strike-must-end-ombudsman-idUKKBN1FF1IQ

French Nursing Homes Staff to Participate in Strikes Protesting Lack of Funding

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201801301061183705-france-strike-nursing-homes/

Italy isn't happy with the Netherlands being unprepared for the new EU medicines agency - so they want a go:

The Italian government plans to ask EU authorities to reconsider their decision to move the European Medicines Agency (EMA) to Amsterdam, the city narrowly picked over Milan to rehouse the body when it leaves London after Brexit.

https://www.thelocal.it/20180130/milan-italy-amsterdam-netherlands-eu-medicines-agency

And even the Danish are in trouble with the EU for using the name of a Greek cheese to export!

Danish companies have broken EU law by selling cheese marked as feta to countries outside of the European Single Market, says the European Commission.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20180130/denmark-in-a-wedge-after-breaking-eu-cheese-rules


There's no wonder that some remainers in this thread keep posting such bilge - anything to draw attention away from what a carp start to the year they're having in their beloved EU!

Should I even mention Merckel & Germany?
Or Austria & Orban's visit, or Italy: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/italy-election-could-mean-a-collision-with-the-rest-of-europe.html

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

I've just read an earlier post about some EU members siding with the Swiss regarding Brussels and the stock exchange, followed by someone calling it a "straw man" argument.
Absolute bull poop TBH & makes you wonder whether the poster knows what the term "straw man" means.

Nah I'm pretty confident with my understanding of straw men.

fact: remainers say EU is united on Brexit.
straw man: remainers say EU is united everywhere.

Tracy was making another post "correcting remainers" by countering a point no-one made. How is that not a straw man?
That there is disagreement and discontent in Europe is not actually in dispute. Its relevance on brexit and us, is.

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Nah I'm pretty confident with my understanding of straw men.

fact: remainers say EU is united on Brexit.
straw man: remainers say EU is united everywhere.

Tracy was making another post "correcting remainers" by countering a point no-one made. How is that not a straw man?
That there is disagreement and discontent in Europe is not actually in dispute. Its relevance on brexit and us, is.

But the EU is not "united on Brexit", is it?
Very obviously.
Oh the senior Eurocrats might say they are - but what choice do they really have if they do not want the wrath of others to befall them?
MEP's may say they are too - for certain things at least and again because of either coercion or fear?

But the EU as a disparate so-called union of 27 other member states are certainly not "united on Brexit".
Just as a few examples we have seen the German equivalent of our CBI asking the EU for leniency so that their trade is affected as little as possible; Danish pork farmers and fishermen doing similar with the Danish government; Spanish regions with large UK trade in agriculture and tourism doing likewise; Belgium asking for EU cash because of Brexit consequences; and so on.

So don't try to say that there's no relevant discontent within the EU because of Brexit because that is very obviously a lie.
Your understanding of a straw man argument is, as I said in my earlier post, flawed for the reason above.