Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

BobQ

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

As per your last line.

The eu have been making it up as they go along, there is nothing in section 50 that says we cannot negotiate trade before anything else, equally there is no allowance for "divorce" payment.

Article 50 just gives two years notice of leaving and offers the option to negotiate an exit deal. . The idea that we have no obligations to pay anything in the short term is fanciful. Also the idea that there is nothing we have to gain by agreeing an exit with them is bizare

cogito

Meanwhile in Czechia, another election result that the EU won't like with ANO and its likely coalition parties having 136 out of 200 seats. This gives them the necessary 2/3 majority to make changes to the constitution and will allow them to implement a change that 'only Czech people decide who lives in the country'. That would be a direct challenge to the ECJ which ruled that the EU has this right.

Also, the ANO manifesto foresees the V4 collectively agreeing an EU exit.

Carl31

cogito wrote: »

Meanwhile in Czechia, another election result that the EU won't like with ANO and its likely coalition parties having 136 out of 200 seats. This gives them the necessary 2/3 majority to make changes to the constitution and will allow them to implement a change that 'only Czech people decide who lives in the country'. That would be a direct challenge to the ECJ which ruled that the EU has this right.

Also, the ANO manifesto foresees the V4 collectively agreeing an EU exit.

This "rise of the right" we are witnessing in Europe currently is not a good thing at all, its worrying if anything. Hopefully its more a protest against EU policy than an actual change in belief amongst people

vivatifosi

cogito wrote: »

Meanwhile in Czechia, another election result that the EU won't like with ANO and its likely coalition parties having 136 out of 200 seats. This gives them the necessary 2/3 majority to make changes to the constitution and will allow them to implement a change that 'only Czech people decide who lives in the country'. That would be a direct challenge to the ECJ which ruled that the EU has this right.

Also, the ANO manifesto foresees the V4 collectively agreeing an EU exit.

Why would the Visegrad 4 leave the EU? They are net beneficiaries and having FOM gives opportunities to travel within the EU to make more money.

Whatever the arguments for the UK are, collectively they have a lower population than the UK, roughly 2/3rds of the GDP of the UK. It's hard to see how this benefits them.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

Also, the ANO manifesto foresees the V4 collectively agreeing an EU exit.

Cogito, can you please post a link to that ANO manifesto?

But Babis played down his euroskeptic views after his victory.
"We're oriented on Europe," he said. "We're not a threat for democracy. I'm ready to fight for our interests in Brussels. We're a firm part of the European Union. We're a firm part of NATO."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-czech-republic-election-20171021-story.html

Mr Babis himself opposes more EU integration and the adoption of the euro – but he has also spoken positively of the benefits of membership, and would rather prefer the Czech Republic play a bigger role in a reformed bloc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/czech-republic-elections-2017-andrej-babis-win-us-president-donald-trump-a8011596.html

Czech election winner Babis says his party pro-Europe

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-czech-election-babis/czech-election-winner-babis-says-his-party-pro-europe-idUKKBN1CQ0Q5?il=0

cogito

mayonnaise wrote: »

Cogito, can you please post a link to that ANO manifesto?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-czech-republic-election-20171021-story.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/czech-republic-elections-2017-andrej-babis-win-us-president-donald-trump-a8011596.html
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-czech-election-babis/czech-election-winner-babis-says-his-party-pro-europe-idUKKBN1CQ0Q5?il=0

I can post it in Czech if that would help you A Slovak acquaintance gave me the gist.

A different view from Politico about the Czech political situation

http://www.politico.eu/article/prague-czech-republic-poised-to-turn-away-from-brussels-ano-andrej-babis/

You pay your money and you take your choice.

cogito

vivatifosi wrote: »

Why would the Visegrad 4 leave the EU? They are net beneficiaries and having FOM gives opportunities to travel within the EU to make more money.

Whatever the arguments for the UK are, collectively they have a lower population than the UK, roughly 2/3rds of the GDP of the UK. It's hard to see how this benefits them.

Generally speaking, they feel that the EU is interfering in areas where it has no business to go and that it is not really the organisation that they believed that they joined in 2004 which sounds a bit familiar.

Having shaken off the Soviets in the recent past, they are increasingly wary of the EU which has resonances with that past. They have far more in common with each other than they do with the rest of the EU and are cooperating more and more on areas of mutual interest and specifically on controlling who can live in their countries and not submitting to pressure to join the euro which they see to their disadvantage. Slovakia is of course in the eurozone but regretting it.

They may well be net beneficiaries of money from the EU but how long that will continue once UK contributions end is another matter.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

cogito wrote: »

They may well be net beneficiaries of money from the EU but how long that will continue once UK contributions end is another matter.

Also, many of them seem to have the audacity to think that some things are more important than money.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

I can post it in Czech if that would help you

Yes, please do.
Thanks.

cogito

Carl31 wrote: »

This "rise of the right" we are witnessing in Europe currently is not a good thing at all, its worrying if anything. Hopefully its more a protest against EU policy than an actual change in belief amongst people

It depends what you mean by the right. Some people think that anyone who challenges liberal thought must be right wing. It could simply be the case that many people object to being told what is good for them by the elites.

Most people's views are reasonably balanced but there is, I'm sure, a great deal of concern amongst such people that the elites are intent on dragging them in a direction that they do not want to go.