Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

System

Herzlos wrote: »

I think it's more frustration than bitterness. We're leaving, and will likely be worse off, I get that. There's nothing I can do to make it any more of a success, beyond making sure I'm financially stable enough to weather the storm. Hopefully it works, but if not hopefully we can fix most of it.

If brexit turns out to be a dud it's a pre-planned brexiteer excuse - 'I told you the EU had to punish us'; 'It's them remoaners - if only they'd let us have our hard brexit'.

I've been very disappointed in the somewhat chaotic way this has been handled by the government but I'm still hopeful we'll still be arguing about whether we've got one or two peas underneath the mattress in 10 years time.

phillw

ilovehouses wrote: »

If brexit turns out to be a dud it's a pre-planned brexiteer excuse - 'I told you the EU had to punish us'; 'It's them remoaners - if only they'd let us have our hard brexit'.

What do you expect from a group of people who are only united in their blaming of other people from a different group.

Even if we get a hard brexit, it won't be what they wanted because what they wanted contradicts itself.

It's like someone who complains about their ex-partner punishing them by leaving, because they decided that it was time to take on another lover. Doing things you want has consequences, I didn't realise that so many people in the UK were unaware of this.

System

Arklight wrote: »

Even Nige is losing his bottle:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-nigel-farage-second-referendum-eu-membership-wright-stuff-video-ukip-maybe-leader-a8153106.html

Yes that's right, Farage now wants a second referendum so he can lose it and then not be blamed for Brexit actually happening.

I think he wants a rerun of the first referendum and not a referendum on the terms of leaving.

He's acting cynically because he thinks leave would win and he'd then try and sell that as a mandate for hard brexit.

I think a lot of remainers (me included) might think we've come too far to spend another couple of years playing the Tory game of navel gazing about Europe. Time to get on with it and if they make a hash of it, which they have so far, vote them out at the earliest opportunity.

Ballard

Arklight wrote: »

Even Nige is losing his bottle:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-nigel-farage-second-referendum-eu-membership-wright-stuff-video-ukip-maybe-leader-a8153106.html


Yes that's right, Farage now wants a second referendum so he can lose it and then not be blamed for Brexit actually happening.

He knows full well that there won’t be a second referendum. I think that what he’s doing here is building himself a position for the future whereby he can claim that he was being fair to Remainers.

phillw

Ballard wrote: »

He knows full well that there won’t be a second referendum. I think that what he’s doing here is building himself a position for the future whereby he can claim that he was being fair to Remainers.

He may also want a second referendum soon, before the people he conned into voting to leave wake up to what they have done.

It's going to be much more damaging to his plans once leave voters realise that being in the EU was a better option for them.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

Leave voters are much more in need of that. Especially the people who voted over the 350m to the NHS on a big red bus. They sold out their future for a lie on a bus and still they think they made the right choice.

That completely misses the point of my post, but that doesn’t surprise me considering the arrogance of some remain poster here.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

You really need to have a good look at yourself and how you evaluate the qualities that help people make decisions.

I'm sorry you don't like it, but I'm afraid it's the facts.


https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/


https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum


I appreciate Brexit voters aren't especially keen on facts, but other people like them.

tracey3596

vivatifosi wrote: »

IMO if any countries were to leave, those are the two countries more likely to leave next, rather than Poland. Sweden in particular has traditionally acted similarly to the UK within the EU.

I don't think they would go full Swexit or Dexit though, more a shift to EFTA along with Norway. They don't have the eurozone issues as other countries such as the Netherlands.

It's down to the whole two speed Europe thing... those countries would find themselves on the periphery. I've also said before that of they did leave, a stronger, larger EFTA with the UK would be significantly more powerful than now, just by strength of numbers. It would have to have more power.

Agreed, despite current feelings in both Sweden and Denmark an EFTA-type shift really is beginning to look likely rather than just possible. Here as elsewhere the EU appear to have no response to the issues put forward by these countries other than heavy-handed authoritarianism.
It does however also highlight the splits within the EU.
Not only is there a north/south split as well as an east/west split but, as shown in these posts, a Scandinavian split too.

No wonder so many say that the EU currently has much bigger worries than Brexit.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

I'm sorry you don't like it, but I'm afraid it's the facts.


https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/


https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum


I appreciate Brexit voters aren't especially keen on facts, but other people like them.

You also missed the point, I know older people were more likely to vote brexit but just because they haven’t been to university or are older doesn’t make them less qualified to vote than a 22 year old graduate. Experience is worth a lot which is a fact completely missed by you and others.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

You also missed the point, I know older people were more likely to vote brexit but just because they haven’t been to university or are older doesn’t make them less qualified to vote than a 22 year old graduate. Experience is worth a lot which is a fact completely missed by you and others.

It makes them far more qualified to vote because they are looking forward and will have to live with a decision they don't want, are educated enough to understand, and that doesn't benefit them. Rather than looking back and not living with the consequences of their decision.