Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

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Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

Waiting in an ambulance is not ideal, but it does not equate to "waiting for treatment". I have personal experience of seeing a heart attack victim treated for over an hour by paramedics from an ambulance, only when his condition was stabilised did they even think of driving to the hospital.

Purposely missing the point. People are having to wait at A&E to be offloaded from ambulances for treatment.

Yes, I'm sure they're getting some treatment as they wait but outcomes would be improved if they were treated in a hospital rather than the back of a van.

Outcomes would be further improved if ambulances were available to collect the next patient rather than providing a buffer for the local A&E department.

I'm sure the service would be better if we accepted we could learn from our EU peers but we've never been good at that. The referendum (like all referendums) was completely decisive so many grown-ups have, in addition, closed their eyes and slapped their hands over their ears.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

I'm starting to wonder what Farage is for. I reckon he's skint and trying to make money from being a celebrity brexiteer.

Why on Earth Barnier feels the need I don't know.

Why he felt the need to meet Corbyn, Clegg and Krankie I don't know either. The difference will be that whereas Clegg and the others declined to reveal details of their discussions, you can bet that Farage won't be so reticent.

Rinoa

ilovehouses wrote: »

I'm starting to wonder what Farage is for. I reckon he's skint and trying to make money from being a celebrity brexiteer.

Why on Earth Barnier feels the need I don't know.

Gratitude?

If it wasn't for Farage, he wouldn't have the job he now has.

StevieJ

vivatifosi wrote: »

Oh !!!!!!, give me a chance to post all of them!

I'm doing this on a tiny tablet to try to get the thread back on track. It takes time.

I hadn't seen this one before, an old link (from Nov) within one of your links.

The piece was published on 3 November but came to greater prominence after a scathing comment piece was published over the weekend by a Forbes commentator, Frances Coppola, who wrote that the MP had “advocated a course of action by the UK government that he knows would seriously damage the UK economy”.
Coppola wrote: “To protect his job as an investment manager, he warned his wealthy clients to get their money out before the disaster hits. To me, this smacks of disaster capitalism. Engineer a crash while ensuring your own interests are protected, then clean up when it hits. This is despicable behaviour by a lawmaker.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/13/labour-accuses-john-redwood-of-talking-britain-down

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

I'm starting to wonder what Farage is for. I reckon he's skint and trying to make money from being a celebrity brexiteer.

Why on Earth Barnier feels the need I don't know.

Barnier welcomed Clegg, and the Scottish leader woman, so maybe he wanted to hear the other side.

Farage was asking the listeners for questions on LBC this morning. Funny...I don't recall either Clegg or Sturgeon asking little old me and others.

That's the thing with so called centre-ground liberals. They are quite fixed in outlook when it suits them.

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

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More than 2300 academics resign in Brexodus:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-uk-university-eu-academics-resign-immigration-brexodus-citizens-europe-a8143796.html
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That article suggests that universities have thrived because of the inflow of EU academics.

This is rubbish. The universities have benefitted from a large influx of cash, as the students now pick up more of the education tab. Walk around a modern campus, and you can see all the money ploughed into accommodation halls which resemble mini hotels.

I don't see a major uplift in university inventions and innovations, due to these talented academics coming from the EU. In fact, a lot of money for the premier research labs associated with our universities is actually Chinese money.

Visit the Graphene labs in Manchester. Mix amongst the post-grads there. It doesn't take long to recognise where many of them come from, and it isn't Hungary or Bulgaria.

Rough_Justice

kabayiri wrote: »

That article suggests that universities have thrived because of the inflow of EU academics.

This is rubbish. The universities have benefitted from a large influx of cash, as the students now pick up more of the education tab. Walk around a modern campus, and you can see all the money ploughed into accommodation halls which resemble mini hotels.

I don't see a major uplift in university inventions and innovations, due to these talented academics coming from the EU. In fact, a lot of money for the premier research labs associated with our universities is actually Chinese money.

Visit the Graphene labs in Manchester. Mix amongst the post-grads there. It doesn't take long to recognise where many of them come from, and it isn't Hungary or Bulgaria.

The article also says this, which seems to get ignored by the resident pro-EU trying-to-gloat-but-failing contingent here:

However the university pointed out that it has also recruited a large number of EU staff so the overall numbers were largely similar.

It looks like another example of "It's time we had another Project Fear Headline", doesn't it?
After all, surely (and even according to that report if you look deep enough) staff turnover is a regular thing and all that's happening is that some staff are leaving and new ones are taking their place.
You might note that the report is very happy to state numbers of those leaving and yet strangely makes no mention of the number arriving, so there is no attempt to prove their "concerns over a Brexodus".
In other words, this is yet another straw.

BobQ

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

A round up of this morning's Project Fear propaganda from media sources consistently hostile to the people's democratic will for Brexit.

Is it true? Yes
Will it adversely affect UK firms cashflow? Yes

Is something that the public want necessarily good for them?
Is it alarmist to point out the problems?

If Project Fear amounted to anything it was based on alarmist opinion. That for example Leaving would cause a massive flight of bankers from London or that staying would see ten million Turkish people enter the UK. The above story is about an unpalatable fact.

A democratic vote based on a false proposition is still a democratic vote, but people are entitled to change their mind before or after Brexit. The notion democracy stops forever once an advisory referendum is held is itself undemocratic.

kabayiri

Rough_Justice wrote: »

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In other words, this is yet another straw.

I can accept that the academic community are just as valid a Vested Interest group as any other. This fact does not mean they have some kind of higher priority than other groups though.

They can't ignore large scale investment into the University sector when it suits, and focus on staffing issues which may/may not materialize.

It's disingenuous.

At an open day prior to the Brexit vote, I sat in a lecture hall as a lecturer openly opined to the audience to vote Remain. I wasn't impressed; after all she knew nothing of my situation and circumstance to come up with such a recommendation.

To the disgust of my partner, I went up to her after the talk, and asked her what advice she would offer to the 50% of young who couldn't access University. Should they vote Remain and effectively suck it up? She muttered something about not being responsible for those. 'Selectivism' then

kabayiri

BobQ wrote: »

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A democratic vote based on a false proposition is still a democratic vote, but people are entitled to change their mind before or after Brexit. The notion democracy stops forever once an advisory referendum is held is itself undemocratic.

If we couldn't trust the politicians to inform the public correctly about the last referendum, then how on earth can we trust that another referendum is the way to correct such matters?

I'd have more respect for the politicians, if they openly said they knew better than the public, and were going to decide anyway. At least they would be being honest! (Maybe the ensuing short lived career would put them off)