Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

vivatifosi wrote: »

Given that they are bickering about homelessness, it's somewhat ironic that they are squatting on this thread.

Anyhow, here's a Brexit story:

Macron under pressure to get Britain to pay for extra measures at French ports:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/french-ports-brexit-uk-pay-emmanuel-macron-theresa-may-a8131096.html

We kind of have to pay up here; France doesn't want to keep them and we want to keep them out. Any border cuts will only hurt us.

With the exception of those who'll flock through France if It becomes common knowledge that it's easy to get into England. But even then, France is better dealing with the migrants on entry to France.

What incentive does France have to spend a cent on English border security?

gfplux

SingleSue wrote: »

I had a really hard decision to make at the last election, one party I have always supported but was finding it difficult to continue to do so, one party I have never and will never vote for but who had one policy which was of interest to me and the others not really worth voting for due to their size.

In the end, I reluctantly voted for the party I have always voted for as bar for the one policy, was more in line with my thinking but next time could be completely different.

Next time will be on May3rd subject to your address.
https://www.local.gov.uk/about/our-meetings-and-leadership/political-composition/local-government-elections

If Brexit is important to you and I know it is then this will be your opportunity.
In April talk to all the candidates about their view of the difficult and dangerous task of taking Britain out of the EU. If their views align with yours and the “Party” also have the same view as you. Then vote for that candidate.
Also if a candidates views don’t align with yours tell the candidate they will NOT get your vote.
It’s about sending a message.

Council elections are about local issues and as you believe Britain leaving the EU will bring prosperity and freedom to Britain this will also impact the local economy so it should be an important issue.

Council elections are notorious for low turnouts so a concerted effort by either side of the Brexit argument can make a big change.

The Central Office of the major party’s hardly bother thinking local except at election time. If you want to send a message to stop or continue with Brexit this is the opportunity.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

Given that they are bickering about homelessness, it's somewhat ironic that they are squatting on this thread.

Anyhow, here's a Brexit story:

Macron under pressure to get Britain to pay for extra measures at French ports:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/french-ports-brexit-uk-pay-emmanuel-macron-theresa-may-a8131096.html

This is an intriguing issue.

Presently NON EU refugees/citizens are attempting to move within the EU, from FRANCE to Britain.
When Britain has finalised the long and complex process of leaving the EU the situation will be VERY different.

NON EU refugees/citizens will be attempting to LEAVE the EU. Why would France or the rest of the EU want to stop that happening?

Oh the irony.

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

This is an intriguing issue.

Presently NON EU refugees/citizens are attempting to move within the EU, from FRANCE to Britain.
When Britain has finalised the long and complex process of leaving the EU the situation will be VERY different.

NON EU refugees/citizens will be attempting to LEAVE the EU. Why would France or the rest of the EU want to stop that happening?

Oh the irony.

Brexit aside, if they are refugees, then they are supposed to be housed in the first safe country, which won't be Britain unless they arrive from the country by plane, in which case the issue won't be at a port.

If they are a citizen on another country, lawfully entering the UK via the border, then this is something that we should be discussing. As per the previous article I posted, back channels appear to be opening already.

If they are illegal immigrants trying to enter the UK from France, then one needs to ask how they have travelled across the EU illegally and why they are the UK's problem.

The movement of both illegal immigrants and refugees within Europe is a problem for the EU, not so much because of camps in Calais, where the maximum numbers were in the low tens of thousands, but largely due to Merkel's open door policy, during which more than a million entered. That is a problem that is categorically NOT of Britain's making.

On Friday I was talking to an Indian friend whose husband has worked in liberal Germany for many years. He is now having a terrible time there by virtue of being brown skinned. He is a liberal being who has blended in for years, but is now tarred with the same brush as those who are behaving inappropriately... stealing, mugging, assaulting women etc. People who entered Germany under the open borders policy but who are now disrupting society because they behave inappropriately.

I have huge sympathy for the plight of refugees but as a woman I have to ask why so many of them are men, and why if the country was so dangerous, they left so many of their women and children behind. I do support the resettlement of refugee families, as well as the support of refugees in neighbouring countries to the war zone through financial support from the UK.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

This is an intriguing issue.

Presently NON EU refugees/citizens are attempting to move within the EU, from FRANCE to Britain.
When Britain has finalised the long and complex process of leaving the EU the situation will be VERY different.

NON EU refugees/citizens will be attempting to LEAVE the EU. Why would France or the rest of the EU want to stop that happening?

Oh the irony.

It will no doubt be a huge conundrum for France come that day.
Abandon the current arrangements or are too difficult with the new arrangements and you risk upsetting the nation that has a penchant for French wine and cheese, upsetting also a highly unionised port workforce in Northern France that coverts it’s trade with a massive European economy like the UK’s.
I have a feeling that if France had wanted to just wave through it’s illegal immigrants it would done so by now already.

Moby

Looks like plans are afoot for our post brexit security to deal with such issues:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/31/dads-army-volunteers-help-border-force-patrol-britains-coastline/

buglawton

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/30/lord-adonis-resignation-brexit-policy-theresa-may-whitehall-morale-collapsed

So Adonis is essentially a democracy-hater. And he may indeed be correct in that a democracy-hating civil service is a war with the government which is attempting to represent that democracy.

We mustn't forget that in order that the UK can gain control of its own immigration policy, the EU overlords have told us we must leave the EU and cannot be part of an open goods and services market with the EU. Strange but true. It'll be a price to pay, that's why a 52-48 vote was needed as a mandate.

I'd also say that immigration is a good thing - when it's tailored and controlled at a national level by our own answerable members of parliament.

SingleSue

gfplux wrote: »

Next time will be on May3rd subject to your address.
https://www.local.gov.uk/about/our-meetings-and-leadership/political-composition/local-government-elections

If Brexit is important to you and I know it is then this will be your opportunity.
In April talk to all the candidates about their view of the difficult and dangerous task of taking Britain out of the EU. If their views align with yours and the “Party” also have the same view as you. Then vote for that candidate.
Also if a candidates views don’t align with yours tell the candidate they will NOT get your vote.
It’s about sending a message.

Council elections are about local issues and as you believe Britain leaving the EU will bring prosperity and freedom to Britain this will also impact the local economy so it should be an important issue.

Council elections are notorious for low turnouts so a concerted effort by either side of the Brexit argument can make a big change.

The Central Office of the major party’s hardly bother thinking local except at election time. If you want to send a message to stop or continue with Brexit this is the opportunity.

Not sure if there was a typo in the bit I have bolded but that view is the complete opposite of my view and the way I voted in the referendum.

For the rest, thankyou, it certainly gives food for thought.

cogito

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/30/lord-adonis-resignation-brexit-policy-theresa-may-whitehall-morale-collapsed

It would appear from Adonis's incoherent rant that he is unaware that it is the job of Civil Servants to implement government policy whether they agree with it or not. If they don't like it, no one will stop them finding employment elsewhere.

phillw

Herzlos wrote: »

We kind of have to pay up here; France doesn't want to keep them and we want to keep them out. Any border cuts will only hurt us.

They should pay for it while basking in the glory of the United Kingdom.

cogito wrote: »

It would appear from Adonis's incoherent rant that he is unaware that it is the job of Civil Servants to implement government policy whether they agree with it or not. If they don't like it, no one will stop them finding employment elsewhere.

Maybe it's your cognitive ability that is at fault, he seems completely aware & you appear to have just repeated what he said.

buglawton wrote: »

So Adonis is essentially a democracy-hater. And he may indeed be correct in that a democracy-hating civil service is a war with the government which is attempting to represent that democracy.

Why are you pretending that this has anything to do with democracy? The government has no mandate to pursue the exact nature of brexit that they are pursuing. All they have is a desire by roughly half the population to "leave the EU" which is pretty meaningless. Leave only won by a hairs breath because of the lies told by leave/farage/etc. Democracy died when you all let yourself be conned.