Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

BobQ

GreatApe wrote: »

Four out of five homeless people in Britain are regular drug-users - and almost half have used heroin or crack in the last month. The figures, far higher than previously acknowledged, have shocked homelessness experts.

'We were aware of drug use among people we work with,' said Shaks Ghosh of Crisis, which commissioned the research. 'What we never expected, in our worst dreams, was this level of use and addiction.'

One in four of Britain's homeless use cocaine or ecstasy, researchers found. One in three use tranquillisers. Only 4 per cent do not use either drugs or alcohol at all

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2002/jul/14/homelessness.drugs

Are you really relying on evidence from 2002?

Drug use might be a symptom of homelessness, but are you claiming it is the cause of homelessness?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

BobQ wrote: »

Are you really relying on evidence from 2002?

There's a thread for that.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5766080

Herzlos

GreatApe wrote: »

Four out of five homeless people in Britain are regular drug-users - and almost half have used heroin or crack in the last month. The figures, far higher than previously acknowledged, have shocked homelessness experts.

'We were aware of drug use among people we work with,' said Shaks Ghosh of Crisis, which commissioned the research. 'What we never expected, in our worst dreams, was this level of use and addiction.'

One in four of Britain's homeless use cocaine or ecstasy, researchers found. One in three use tranquillisers. Only 4 per cent do not use either drugs or alcohol at all

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2002/jul/14/homelessness.drugs

Are they homeless because they take drugs, or do they take drugs because they are homeless?
You seem to be implying that people are homeless because drugs; but it's more likely they became homeless for other reasons and turned to drugs to escape reality.

I'll take it to the other thread.

phillw

GreatApe wrote: »

We have high wages full employment lots of freedom and opportunity. That is a fact.

We only have full employment because unemployed people have been persuaded to become self employed with no work & live off tax credits instead of unemployment benefit.

SingleSue

vivatifosi wrote: »

I may not even vote in the next GE and have voted in every GE since achieved voting age.

Neither side is palatable. I might vote Lib Dem but think they may not get far as they may be too associated with remain for Brexit supporting centrists to vote for them.

I had a really hard decision to make at the last election, one party I have always supported but was finding it difficult to continue to do so, one party I have never and will never vote for but who had one policy which was of interest to me and the others not really worth voting for due to their size.

In the end, I reluctantly voted for the party I have always voted for as bar for the one policy, was more in line with my thinking but next time could be completely different.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

phillw wrote: »

We only have full employment because unemployed people have been persuaded to become self employed with no work & live off tax credits instead of unemployment benefit.

Other thread....;)

vivatifosi

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Can we get this thread back on topic please.

Plenty of other threads for bickering about homelessness and house prices.

Given that they are bickering about homelessness, it's somewhat ironic that they are squatting on this thread.

Anyhow, here's a Brexit story:

Macron under pressure to get Britain to pay for extra measures at French ports:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/french-ports-brexit-uk-pay-emmanuel-macron-theresa-may-a8131096.html

SingleSue

GreatApe wrote: »

Oh really I though it was the young that voted to stay and the old and Tory voters that voted leave.

Are you sure? All Tory voters? (Little clue here, you would be very wrong if you say yes to the second question)

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Moby wrote: »

Have you ever considered why people have disfunctional lives? All you are saying in fact is that dysfunction has nothing to do with wider society and is purely a personal responsibility.......so the child that turns to drugs to cope with being abused while living in care doesn't exist? The woman who leaves her home and becomes homeless because of an abusive partner is dysfunctional herself? Look behind most dysfunctional people, especially those with criminal convictions and you'll find family dislocation of one sort or another in the background; mental health, abusive parents, abusive partners, drug/alcohol using partners/parents. Such children get excluded from school, turn to crime, gang culture etc.......end up in care and often get abused again.....their path is set....... And you are really saying all this has nothing to do with how we run our society?, What provision we make for addressing such issues is decided by Govmt and these services have been slashed in recent years. We have a responsibility as a society to address such issues and how do that is a measure of how civilised we are.

Other.

Thread.

Thanks.....

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/30/lord-adonis-resignation-brexit-policy-theresa-may-whitehall-morale-collapsed

He paints a picture of a political system that is consumed by an impossible goal of securing a Brexit that is good for the UK economy, and a civil service at war with its governing masters.

“Good government has essentially broken down in the face of Brexit. Normal standards of conduct are not being observed. Independent advice is being dismissed because, remember, experts were supposedly part of the problem.

“There is very low morale in Whitehall because almost no civil servants agree with the policy of the government. I do not think there has ever been a period when the civil service has been more disaffected with the government it serves. I do not know a single senior civil servant who thinks that Brexit is the right policy, and those that are responsible for negotiating it are in a desperate and constant argument with the government over the need to minimise the damage done by the prime minister’s hard-Brexit stance.