Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

CKhalvashi

Conrad wrote: »

So you must be annoyed those 18 Labour MEP's sided with the EU to delay the trade deal & uncertainty?

I'm not a Labour supporter and it's a matter for the party to suspend the relevant people if they feel the job hasn't been done correctly, not the job of those who aren't party members to get involved.

Not to mention Gina Miller and delays by Lords and Labour MP's?

Gina Miller has ensured the legislation has been followed. It is essential in a democracy to hold the government to account. She has done nothing more than this.

The sooner we do this deal and everyone gets behind it, the sooner we can fire on all cylinders

The economy is shrinking compared to a growing EU economy as a whole. The UK hasn't left the EU yet and already is coming to harm as a result of your actions. The sooner we stop this process the sooner we can go back to firing on all cylinders.

I'm not standing behind an idea that is going to harm the UK and I therefore believe the best option for the UK is to stop the process now before any further harm is done. My viewpoint on this has not changed and will not change.

Moby

Yes Leave won the Referendum very narrowly in June last year so Brexit will take place. I have always accepted that but I think it is plain wrong. At the time of the vote many did not know what they were really voting for. Some did but some didn’t. By March 2019 The will of the people may well be hostile to Brexit. What then? Do we still embark on Brexit because the will of the people in June 2016 dictates that we do and thereby ignore the will of the people in March 2019? The will of the people can change from one day to another and a Referendum on any given date does not change that. The will of the people was not set in stone in June 2016!

System

..and if the EU told you to jump off a cliff..oh don't bother I know the answer.

The EU don't get to unilaterally define what brexit means and, I'm sorry to break it to you, neither do you.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

Some posters wanted me to express an opinion - well I hate the terms "Brexit-induced inflation" and "Brexit-induced fall in sterling".

Let's be honest both were "induced" by the BoE. Brexiters would never have lowered interest rates and carried out massive amounts of QE.

"BoE-induced" or "Remoaner-induced" would be much better terms.

Sterling is weak - well yes that's what happens when you lower rates to 0.25%

I hate "fall in the value of Sterling due to the Brexit referendum" and "inflation at 3% due to the fall in the value of Sterling"
However they are both facts so I just have to suck it up.

gfplux

Moby wrote: »

Brexit will become as unpopular as a f*rt in a lift that is stuck for hours. Only yesterday the OECD said UK economy would receive a boost if Brexit were cancelled. Given the years of work that would be required to implement changes brought about by Brexit at a significant cost, people will start questioning this cost. Probably over the next 10 years, the overall cost will be much more than what would have been paid to the EU. I read a list online which appears in the FT, which shows over 300 international agreements on a wide range of issues that will stop being effective on Brexit day. Before Brexit day, Government will have to do the leg work, to get the agreements sorted out, ready to take effect under UK administration. For example, one agreement might relate to imports from another country and without a new agreement, there might be an issue. David Davis said yesterday that there will have to be more Brexit related legislation and i question whether they have the time. There is going to be a legal challenge against Government to release all of the Brexit risk assessments and if this is granted, then it will cause a major rethink by people who are unsure about Brexit continuing!

And in the meantime who is running the Country. With all this going on the Government have no time for the "day job"

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Moby wrote: »

At the time of the vote many did not know what they were really voting for

That is true. Many who voted Remain did so because they were too unimaginative to conceive of a life outside the EU.

posh*spice

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

That is true. Many who voted Remain did so because they were too unimaginative to conceive of a life outside the EU.

Many who voted Remain did so because of the lie that we would have an immediate recession with an emergency budget with tax rises and job cuts. Thst we would have mass unemployment and companies would leave Britain.

It was the remainers who told lies.

And they are still lying.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

AIUI the UK legally owes between nothing and very little. However, the EU would like the UK to honour her financial commitments. Mrs May has confirmed the UK will meet these commitments.

If we were dealing with grown ups no-one would need to prove anything and they'd be working together to arrive at a mutually agreeable figure. The idea that the onus is on either side seems silly to me.

Citizens rights is a purely political argument.

I'd agree it's difficult to deal with the Irish border without knowing the final trade relationship but Davis obvious disagrees because he was happy to deal with the Irish border before trade.

Are you joking you would willingly pay someone money they said you owed without them showing you how they come to that figure.

gfplux

The bad news is inflation in September is 3% while most wages are rising at much less.
The good news is that the increase in State pensions in 2018 are calculated by using the inflation figure in September.

CKhalvashi

posh*spice wrote: »

Many who voted Remain did so because of the lie that we would have an immediate recession with an emergency budget with tax rises and job cuts. Thst we would have mass unemployment and companies would leave Britain.

It was the remainers who told lies.

And they are still lying.

The UK is in recession. The economy is shrinking in real terms as shown in my post on the previous page.

There are likely to be tax rises to cover the state pensions of those who voted Leave as younger workers leave, as a result of job cuts (we froze recruitment and expansion in July 2016 and will not recruit again in the UK for the forseeable future) and some companies are leaving Britain.

I'm looking daily at insolvent company notices to see what can be integrated into what we're already doing, which will lead to job creation......in Romania, while keeping as little as possible in the UK as a result of the necessary economic cuts to UK companies to bring everything in-house under one newly founded roof. I have already contacted liquidators in several circumstances before I'm accused of 'not going through' with it in viable circumstances.