Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

westernpromise wrote: »

I think this illustrates one of the ways in which Remainers genuinely don't understand Leavers. A frequent Remainer assumption is that Leavers object to the way the EU is now and think something else would be better now. I'm not so sure. I think the Leave sentiment was a forward-looking one: the EU is heading towards something Leavers don't want to be in, so we should leave now while it is still possible, in order to be better off than we would be as, oh, a heavily taxed region of a Europe run from Germany.

It's entirely possible, and I have to admit I can't follow most Leavers arguments. I think the problem here is that Leave don't seem to be interested in actually explaining anything or trying to help us correct the mindset. We're constantly told we're wrong or backwards thinking, but every follow up question like "why?" is completely ignored.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

It's entirely possible, and I have to admit I can't follow most Leavers arguments. I think the problem here is that Leave don't seem to be interested in actually explaining anything or trying to help us correct the mindset. We're constantly told we're wrong or backwards thinking, but every follow up question like "why?" is completely ignored.

Its why you vote in your own perceived self interest imo.

No average bod can predict where either the UK or EU will be in a decade. There's a lot of challenges, and a lot has happened in the last decade.

I think the economy will have to shift away from banking dependency at some point.

The tech companies are already changing the marketplace.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

'Elements of' and 'keeping' aren't the same thing.

Besides, as the referendum fades into history domestic politics become the priority. I'm pretty bored of hearing about how we've got to keep leave voters happy - any deal needs to be sold to all of us.

I'm bemused by the idea that a leave voter of June 2016 has any additional say over what brexit looks like other than claiming their victory is a mandate for the UK ceasing EU membership.

It would be easy to find a compromise to satisfy me but I didn’t vote leave. If the deal is leave in name only I would say they have every right to complain,

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

You'll end up with your mugshot on the front of the Express if you're not careful. We're leaving the EU - why is knowing whether we can stay relevant?

It would only become relevant if there was a second referendum where one of the options was to call it off - not going to happen.

It’s relevent in so much that if EU say it’s not a option then there is no point even considering it.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't think anyone said they were the same thing. I'm just pointing out that not having to use EU standards for everything doesn't save anything like as much as people seem to think.

I don’t think that its the savings made by not having to follow EU standards it’s the fact that we don’t have to if we don’t want to.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

A large majority didn't even vote leave, let alone make any coherent statement about immigration.


Perhaps if they had tried to the people who did vote Leave would have been forced to try and articulate what part of immigration they have a problem with.


Every single xenophobe, small town bigot, and racist voted Leave, we know that (and so do the rest of the world, which may stop people wanting to come here). But out of the remaining 52%, what did they actually expect to happen?

As usual you miss the point we were discussing completely.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

You could report the right wing posters until you are blue in the face and they don't get banned. Even racist halfwits with broken capslock keys promoting eugenics just get their threads removed, and are free to spread their poison on the rest of the forum.


As long as they're Tory voters, right...

There have been plenty of right wing voters banned Conrad to name one. I think that the bar to ban someone should be quite high ie if they are being continually offensive. I would personally prefer to listen to both sides of argument no matter how much I disagree with what is being said.

Matt_L

Michel Barnier confirms that any transition period must end on the 31st December 2020, more than long enough, thank you very much....

System

Matt_L wrote: »

Michel Barnier confirms that any transition period must end on the 31st December 2020, more than long enough, thank you very much....

Seems like a good sign that the transitional agreement will go through OK if the best the media can do to find disagreement is the UK wanting transition to last 3 months more than the EU.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

There have been plenty of right wing voters banned Conrad to name one. I think that the bar to ban someone should be quite high ie if they are being continually offensive. I would personally prefer to listen to both sides of argument no matter how much I disagree with what is being said.

Conrad was the only banning that didn't make any sense. He was annoying and right wing but he was generally affable enough. He didn't post constantly that he wanted poor people to be sterilised, or that black people all have learning disabilities. Yet he has gone and these other people remain.