Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

10/10 for character development, Tracey :rotfl:

What's that?
Insincerity perchance?
It may be better-heeded were there not one person here responsible for how many of these threads being deleted now, hence us being on Part 5.
BTW, that person is certainly not me.

wunferall

tracey3596 wrote: »

Whereas the federalist views of Junckers, Tusk, Schulz etc. and indeed of much of the EU do not attract me.
I'm a worker who will fight for her rights and the rights of her children and will not just bend over to the elites of a would-be-superpower EU.

This is happening more and more across EU countries too.
Mark Rutte is in a precarious position in the Netherlands (where Geert Wilders PVV hold second place by seats).
Germany's Merkel is still struggling to form a coalition and the AFD may yet be the opposition there.
Austria has formed a government with the far right Freedom Party and may face EU sanctions as a result.
Poland has had a judiciary overhaul and faces EU sanctions as a result.
Catalonia faced severe intimidation from Spain and now has official elections in a few days, with many there noting EU non-committal from the EU over Spain's heavy-handed and dictatorial stance.

Still to come in 2018 are elections in Italy where there is likely to be another coalition if 5 Star do not win outright.
Also in Sweden, where the Sweden Democrats who want an EU referendum are polling strongly.

There's more but the point is that the Europhiles here are ignoring all this.
I can't imagine why.
:whistle:

tracey3596

Ballard wrote: »

I haven’t seen any posts contradicting my view that the UK parliament has signed up to various EU treaties over the years and that those who signed on the dotted line did so on behalf of the citizens of the UK. I am open to other viewpoints and would be grateful if you would post a link to such posts. Additionally perhaps you would like to add your thoughts on it as I am interested to hear them.

I haven't seen any posts contradicting the fact that at the first opportunity to do so, the British public did indeed vote to leave the EU.
See posts immediately following yours at #2768 like #2769, 2774 etc.
My thoughts are that the British public when given the opportunity voiced their opinion.

gfplux

AFF8879 wrote: »

What's the point of "workers rights" being enshrined in law if the laws are not enforced? So many companies circumvent them to avoid paying a fair wage / providing adequate working conditions. I think the UK can and will go even further in these laws once we have left the EU. The cost of this will likely be offset by corporation tax cuts.

You could be right.
All the signs are there.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/91527/fury-brexit-ministers-urge
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Fury as Brexit ministers 'urge Theresa May to scrap EU working hours rules'

"But the TUC said scrapping the directive could see millions of workers forced to work long hours, be stripped of their lunch breaks and lose their rights to paid holidays.

“This is a straight-up attack on our rights at work. Millions could lose their paid holidays, and be forced to work ridiculously long hours,” general secretary Frances O’Grady fumed.

“The working time directive gave nearly five million women paid holidays for the first time. No-one voted for Brexit to lose out on holidays, or to hand power over to bad bosses."
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gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

This is happening more and more across EU countries too.
Mark Rutte is in a precarious position in the Netherlands (where Geert Wilders PVV hold second place by seats).
Germany's Merkel is still struggling to form a coalition and the AFD may yet be the opposition there.
Austria has formed a government with the far right Freedom Party and may face EU sanctions as a result.
Poland has had a judiciary overhaul and faces EU sanctions as a result.
Catalonia faced severe intimidation from Spain and now has official elections in a few days, with many there noting EU non-committal from the EU over Spain's heavy-handed and dictatorial stance.

Still to come in 2018 are elections in Italy where there is likely to be another coalition if 5 Star do not win outright.
Also in Sweden, where the Sweden Democrats who want an EU referendum are polling strongly.

There's more but the point is that the Europhiles here are ignoring all this.
I can't imagine why.
:whistle:

Not ignoring,

NOT relevant to THIS thread.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

The same party that has lifted GDP per head to all of 80th in the world and killed millions to get there? Now a benevolent dictator?

Western Democracy has delivered - you know it.

It's delivered thus far. It's not guaranteed to do so.

I think the role of the nation state is falling, and being replaced by the interests of supra national corporations, certainly in the West.

China has record amounts of money invested in both USA and Europe. They now hold key Western assets as well as in Canada and Australia. Even Google has now opened an ambitious AI centre in China.

So tell me, who is on the way up?

I think we need to work out how we benefit out of a shifting economic power base.

StevieJ

ilovehouses wrote: »

What's my grand plan for overturning the result of the referendum then?

Could it be a second referendum once our voting public know (more or less) what they are voting for/against?

kabayiri

StevieJ wrote: »

Could it be a second referendum once our voting public know (more or less) what they are voting for/against?

Any follow up referendum has one guaranteed outcome :

- you upset one bunch of people at the expense of another.

It's worse because we are close to 50/50 balance.

The government who host that referendum will be on the hook for the outcome, so why would a Tory lot want to let Labour in?

The idea that it appeases everyone is stretched.

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

Not ignoring,

NOT relevant to THIS thread.

Populism and the desire of other Europeans to voice their anti-EU points of view is not relevant to this thread when it was being discussed by you?
When citizens rights are being discussed by you?
:rotfl:
I think that what you really mean is that you didn't like that post.

gfplux

tracey3596 wrote: »

I haven't seen any posts contradicting the fact that at the first opportunity to do so, the British public did indeed vote to leave the EU.
See posts immediately following yours at #2768 like #2769, 2774 etc.
My thoughts are that the British public when given the opportunity voiced their opinion.

Sorry Tracey I didn't realise you needed a reply.

So.....

Yes in June 2016 Britain held a referendum wether to stay or leave the EU.
Of those who voted there was a majority to leave the EU.

Since then, 541 days ago Britain has embarked on this complex, difficult, arduous, demanding, exacting, gruelling, testing and complicated task to leave the EU.

Are you satisfied with that acknowledgement Tracey?