Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

The keywords being “negotiations IN phase 2”of course.
As a supporter of the EU stance in these negotiations aren’t you a little perturbed at how the UK was not tied down more legally to the commitments it made in phase 1?

I don't understand why you think that "IN" is important.

You do make an interesting point for me when you say I am a supporter of the EU stance. I actually don't know where I stand as I have been amazed and deeply disappointed at the incompetence shown by the British side. It's been very painful to see the Country of my birth made a laughing stock.

We now have to waite to see if the negotiations do move on to phase 2.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

It's a risk, sure. But we'd actually get control of everything Westminster won't give us. We'd also get rid of the Tories.

Mixing different agendas is a sure recipe for chaos.

phillw

mrginge wrote: »

I’m struggling to think of any major economic country in the world that does not have an immigration system and ‘judges you first’. Can you point any out to us?

Every country in the EU allows immigrants from other EU countries. Freedom of movement, remember?

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

We want a trade deal with the EU, but not if it comes with onerous conditions. The same criterion applies to all trade deals. That should not be a difficult concept to grasp.

Yeah that working time directive really irks employers in the UK. It's the major reason they worked hard to con people to vote leave.

The EU doesn't have any onerous conditions unless you are morally bankrupt.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Every country in the EU allows immigrants from other EU countries. Freedom of movement, remember?

Not equally as welcoming though.

mrginge

phillw wrote: »

Every country in the EU allows immigrants from other EU countries. Freedom of movement, remember?

Well done on completely missing the point.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

The keywords being “negotiations IN phase 2”of course.
As a supporter of the EU stance in these negotiations aren’t you a little perturbed at how the UK was not tied down more legally to the commitments it made in phase 1?

Work in progress....;)

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/940540781684719616/photo/1

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

I don't understand why you think that "IN" is important.

You do make an interesting point for me when you say I am a supporter of the EU stance. I actually don't know where I stand as I have been amazed and deeply disappointed at the incompetence shown by the British side. It's been very painful to see the Country of my birth made a laughing stock.

We now have to waite to see if the negotiations do move on to phase 2.

Not so incompetent as to not secure an agreement to move to phase 2 it seems, and from a pro-UK standpoint, without a legally binding commitment as well.
I emphasised “IN’” because despite the confected annoyance in EU land at DD remarks at the weekend, they weren’t annoyed enough to call for the progress to be phase 2 to be halted.
Why do think that the move to phase 2 is in doubt?
If your hanging your hat on the vote in the European Parliament tomorrow (I think it’s tomorrow) even if they vote NO on the progress to phase 2, the vote gets ignored apparently. How gloriously EU that is.
The bigger vote is in the UK parliament incidentally, on whether MP’s get to vote on the final Brexit deal before we leave.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

Not so incompetent as to not secure an agreement to move to phase 2 it seems, and from a pro-UK standpoint, without a legally binding commitment as well.
I emphasised “IN’” because despite the confected annoyance in EU land at DD remarks at the weekend, they weren’t annoyed enough to call for the progress to be phase 2 to be halted.
Why do think that the move to phase 2 is in doubt?
If your hanging your hat on the vote in the European Parliament tomorrow (I think it’s tomorrow) even if they vote NO on the progress to phase 2, the vote gets ignored apparently. How gloriously EU that is.
The bigger vote is in the UK parliament incidentally, on whether MP’s get to vote on the final Brexit deal before we leave.

I am not hanging my hat on anything.
I am conflicted about moving on to phase 2. Britain have effectively declared phase 1 a fudge and think they can ignore it. The EU might/are add conditions to moving on because of that.
What a way to negotiate!!! Well done David Davis. You do Britains reputation around the world no good at all.
If and when phase 2 comes in to the spotlight the complexity, difficulty and potential damage to the UK will become clearer which might derail Brexit completely.
My adopted country is one of the EU27 and I am not sure that the possibility of Britain not leaving will be to the benefit of the EU. At the same time I am of the opinion that leaving the EU will damage Britain for years to come.
It will be an interesting week.

gfplux

A reminder from Politico this morning. Britain was always a reluctant member of the EU as Gordon Browns actions ten years ago illustrate.
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"A LONG TIME AGO, IN A GALAXY FAR, FAR AWAY: The Lisbon Treaty was signed 10 years ago today. “History will remember this as a day in which new paths of hope were opened toward the European deal,” Portuguese Prime Minister Jos! Socrates proudly told the assembled EU leaders. A shamefaced Gordon Brown sidled in three hours later to sign the treaty after the cameras had gone. Looking back, the signs were always there."
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Eric_the_half_a_bee

gfplux wrote: »

A reminder from Politico this morning. Britain was always a reluctant member of the EU as Gordon Browns actions ten years ago illustrate.
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"A LONG TIME AGO, IN A GALAXY FAR, FAR AWAY: The Lisbon Treaty was signed 10 years ago today. “History will remember this as a day in which new paths of hope were opened toward the European deal,” Portuguese Prime Minister Jos! Socrates proudly told the assembled EU leaders. A shamefaced Gordon Brown sidled in three hours later to sign the treaty after the cameras had gone. Looking back, the signs were always there."
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The reason Brown did that is because in 2004 Blair promised UK voters a referendum on forthcoming EU treaty changes. Then when those changes were folded into the Lisbon treaty he broke that promise.

And they say Leave won because of lies.