Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Lornapink

Herzlos wrote: »

The people that'll be buying the faeces & chlorine covered stuff are going to be those on the tightest budgets and will need to buy it anyway

As pointed out on here in the past the Aussies did stringent tests before allowing US meat n poultry in and deemed it perfectly safe.
We consume EU chlorine salads, funny how you never mention this (motivated reasoning).


Americans must be dropping like flies according to your narratives

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

How does Halal sidestep English Law? The stunning part?

The non stunning part and claiming it is for religious purposes, then selling it outside the comminity for which it is supposedly intended.

https://www.vettimes.co.uk/news/non-stun-slaughter-more-than-doubles/

Ballard

Lornapink wrote: »

Remainers promised UK would get a terrible EU deal, a punishment deal at best, why on earth would us Royal biscuit tin makers get anything other than EU crumbs, after all 'the EU needs nothing from us they cannot produce themselves, and they will just find new markets to replace ours'.

Oh look, big trade deal done with a 3rd party nation, not aligned in the way UK-EU already are and without freedom of movement and all the other dross Remainers insist are indivisible from good trade deals.
Of course a very good UK-EU deal will be done as we promised well before June 2016 when Remain experts told us we'd get a paltry deal that would take 10 years to negotiate, lol

EU rejects protectionism in huge trade deal with Japan

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a14c5f26-8a04-11e8-a0fd-e428ecc3ac12

What the heck are you on about? You seem to be suggesting that remainers have said that the likes of Japan won’t get EU trade deals and that the fact that they have signed is a signal that the U.K.-EU trade deal will now prove to be easy.

I have read your post several times but can’t get to the bottom of it but I’ve had a busy week and maybe I’m too tired to understand your dross.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The non stunning part and claiming it is for religious purposes, then selling it outside the comminity for which it is supposedly intended.

https://www.vettimes.co.uk/news/non-stun-slaughter-more-than-doubles/

Ah. I'd read some reports a while back that stunning is just as cruel in practical terms, and that at least Halal animals are often treated with more respect. Hence the need for CCTV in slaughter houses in your link.


I've also heard of a few non-Muslims who are adamant Halal meat tastes better.


I've never heard the concern about the meat being sold outside the communities - that'd be a logistic nightmare to enforce. Would restaurants and shops need to keep both meats and ask customers which they want? Are Muslims allowed to handle non-Halal meat? I'm not even sure.


But then I'm not an expert on it.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

As pointed out on here in the past the Aussies did stringent tests before allowing US meat n poultry in and deemed it perfectly safe.

Parts of it are safe.

We consume EU chlorine salads, funny how you never mention this (motivated reasoning).

Lettuces don't tend to spend their life sitting in their own excrement, and don't need to move about as much.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

Remainers promised UK would get a terrible EU deal, a punishment deal at best, why on earth would us Royal biscuit tin makers get anything other than EU crumbs, after all 'the EU needs nothing from us they cannot produce themselves, and they will just find new markets to replace ours'.

Oh look, big trade deal done with a 3rd party nation, not aligned in the way UK-EU already are and without freedom of movement and all the other dross Remainers insist are indivisible from good trade deals.
Of course a very good UK-EU deal will be done as we promised well before June 2016 when Remain experts told us we'd get a paltry deal that would take 10 years to negotiate, lol

EU rejects protectionism in huge trade deal with Japan

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a14c5f26-8a04-11e8-a0fd-e428ecc3ac12

You're saying that we can get a good brexit deal because Japan got a trade deal? Have you missed all of the other countries with trade deals or are you going back to the "We don't need a deal to trade" argument?


Though to be fair, the Japan deal is probably a good starting point for us as it comes with some services. It's still an inferior deal to the one we're giving away, but it's at least realistic and nothing like as damaging as a "no deal".

vivatifosi

Herzlos wrote: »

Parts of it are safe.

Lettuces don't tend to spend their life sitting in their own excrement, and don't need to move about as much.

I spend a month a year in the USA. I'm a,vegetarian, so can't speak for the quality of the meat, but the food is generally plentiful and of high quality. There have been several times that I've bought food in the supermarket, especially fruit and veg, which is superior to here.

Certain foods are different due to American tastes, e.g. bread is sweeter, but I don't see it as a big threat. For sure there are some edible aberrations, such as Twinkies, Kool Aid etc, but they feel the same about Marmite and haggis.

There are also really good organic producers and products. As long as the labelling issue is addressed it isn't a big deal, and to get all of the issues on the table we should talk about growth hormones in beef just as we do chlorinated chicken. But Americans are equally wary if British meat due to the BSE scare.

Herzlos

I've always had the opposite impression but it's been a long time since I had to do grocery shopping over there, so I might have changed or be a state to state thing.

Filo25

Anytime I have stayed in the US, I would say I find supermarket shopping surprisingly expensive for a lot of things, especially when compared to eating out which is generally a bit cheaper than over here.

Supermarket bread generally seems to be expensive and not particularly nice!

That was largely in California though so certainly not the cheapest part of the country

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

Anytime I have stayed in the US, I would say I find supermarket shopping surprisingly expensive for a lot of things, especially when compared to eating out which is generally a bit cheaper than over here.

Fast food is a high margin business. Rent, rates and staff costs are the differentials between the US and UK.