Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

.string.

phillw wrote: »

After Gove's interview...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6724568/michael-gove-admits-hes-not-happy-with-all-of-theresa-mays-brexit-plan-but-says-cabinet-needs-to-unite-behind-it-anyway/

The Environment Secretary said: 'You shouldn't make the perfect the enemy of the good'

I wonder quite why we had a referendum, surely the only reason to vote leave was to try to make perfect the enemy of good???

He must just be happy enough with the tax evasion and the powers he'll have over exploit hard working people, which is the main reason for the brexit support in the government.

I saw the Gove interview (*) and thought he made a good defence of the plan. I still want to read it myself though.

At the moment I like the explanation but I doubt that the EU will. But agreeing it is another matter since they are also under some pressure.

It might indeed spark serious negotiations though.

(*) On iPlayer. It's worth looking at.

Filo25

.string. wrote: »

Yes, the last para of Article 50 states:



So we join the Euro, submerge our military, have EU wide taxes and so o add nausea. It would not be back where we were.

People arguing for remaining in the EU should wise up and bury their hobby horse.

So to summarise, we have such a good deal now, we shouldn't leave in the first place:beer:

Lornapink

Filo25 wrote: »

So to summarise, we have such a good deal now, we shouldn't leave in the first place:beer:

EU grandee's are saying we must renegotiate just to remain. There is no status quo option, therefore your 'peoples vote' ballot question would need to reflect this & the fact our EU club fee is set to increase, perhaps even double from 2021, good luck selling that one


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/14/perks-end-uk-eu-guy-verhofstadt

Filo25

Lornapink wrote: »

EU grandee's are saying we must renegotiate just to remain. There is no status quo option, therefore your 'peoples vote' ballot question would need to reflect this & the fact our EU club fee is set to increase, perhaps even double from 2021, good luck selling that one


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/14/perks-end-uk-eu-guy-verhofstadt

And yet the person who oversaw the drafting of Article 50 says it can be revoked unilaterally and we can return on the same terms.

https://www.ft.com/content/2b47aa32-c629-11e7-b2bb-322b2cb39656

All a moot point as I don't expect it to happen, I would rather the government got on with serious negotiations, if we end up heading down the WTO terms route though, I would say all bets are off with regards to possible outcomes.

System

Lornapink wrote: »

Remainers urge for a second vote.
What would the ballot paper question be?
'Do you wish to accept the new deal or Remain'?

But Remain is an unknown quantity, there is no status quo Remain;

Really bored of this argument. Leave was an an unknown quantity and still is now but you didn't care then.

Lungboy

The EU have said that we can rescind A50 and end all this nonsense, so that would be the status quo option.

Herzlos

Exactly. We know a lot more about what Remain will look like than Leave. So it's a tired and pointless argument.

Herzlos

So Lorna, since you haven't answered the last few times: what will leave look like?

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Exactly. We know a lot more about what Remain will look like than Leave. So it's a tired and pointless argument.

I disagree we know what it looked like before referendum but right now we have no idea what leave or remain will look like.

Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

I argued since before the referendum that Brexit wan an opportunity to innovate and that the City would benefit by us leaving.

Now we learn the City wants no part in a trade deal with the EU, just as we predicted. This was covered in Sunday Politics, London today. Lol, so much for Banks all leaving !

Also we argued many times in the past that EU regulations are harming the City, that we'd be better off out as a global financial services player with more autonomy.

New EU Mifid2 regulations killing City business

https://semperfidem2004.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/brexits-non-impact-on-the-city-of-london-follow-the-money/

Lorna can you link me to those posts. I'd like to refresh my memory of them?