Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Sorry to repeat myself; but the EU isn't trying to exclude 3rd country UK from Galileo. It'll get the same access as every other 3rd country.

That is; we can use it bit have no say or visibility into how it works behind the scenes.

How many third countries have contributed over a billion quid to a project that the EU will restrict access to?

The EU will need access to stations in the Falklands, Ascension and Diego Garcia for Galileo to work successfully. Should we give them that?

vivatifosi

cogito wrote: »

The EU will need access to stations in the Falklands, Ascension and Diego Garcia for Galileo to work successfully. Should we give them that?

No. There has to be a compromise on this. No compromise, no access.

vivatifosi

kabayiri wrote: »

We spent serious money on a German motor, but I sense it might be the last. It's not like there is a lack of alternatives.

I mentioned this on another thread, but actually made it as a serious comment.

When my husband told me that South Korea had beaten Germany, I thought he was talking about car imports.

There are two factors at play here. The first is the quality of cars now coming out of the Far East, especially when you can spec up relatively cheaply. Second, the tarnishing of German car brands especially VAG.

.string.

vivatifosi wrote: »

No. There has to be a compromise on this. No compromise, no access.

There is also how much we charge for the access. I'm not sure what figure I would have in mind, but it would be very high, very high indeed. I'm thinking compensation for money spent and having to make our own system.

Herzlos

No other country spent money on Galileo, insisted 3rd countries shouldnt have privileged access then voluntarily became a 3rd party.

We still get to use it, but have no say. Just like we asked for.

Theophile

cogito wrote: »

The EU will need access to stations in the Falklands, Ascension and Diego Garcia for Galileo to work successfully. Should we give them that?

Is this another case of 'they need us more than we need them'?

These are just reference sensor station locations.

A reference station located in South Argentina will do that job just as well as one located on The Malvinas.

Sure there will be extra cost. But minimal compared to project size.

The main Galileo ground network infrastructure (tracking, telemetry, ground control, etc....) is nowhere near british territory and thank God for that.

gfplux

.string. wrote: »

The above discussion illustrates one factor of the difficulty of coming up with a statement of intent from the UK Government about our desired future relationship with the EU. No wonder if it's taking so long.

One would hope that the upcoming statement would have enough European-friendly content to solicit a more UK-friendly reaction from the EU.

The problem is that the way the EU have been conducting the negotiations is causing, I sense, a growing hostility in the UK and rather than having a friendly neighbour, the EU may end up with as Grumpy competitor with a rapidly reducing incentive to support EU economic success.

So how to make a statement on our wishes for a new relationship that is on the one hand friendly but on the other doesn't tie us to an attitude that we don't have any more?

But the Government has to keep smiling at the EU for a while longer, but I don't have to do that.

For one small example, because of the on-going Irish Border blackmail, I have become more aware of the Irish products i would avoid and am starting to do just that. French wine? Well Antipodean wine is very good and is reasonably priced

Where things are made has become more important.

Do not forget British flowers as I posted they need everyone to help out and change their buying habits.

In my opinion I do not think it is in the EU27's interests to continue to have an extra close relationship with the UK after Brexit?
Britain spent over 40 years being a reluctant member of the club and during the leaving process could have damaged the future of the EU.
Any director of an EU27 manufacturing company would have difficulties in endorsing any investment in Britain.

Enterprise_1701C

.string. wrote: »

There is also how much we charge for the access. I'm not sure what figure I would have in mind, but it would be very high, very high indeed. I'm thinking compensation for money spent and having to make our own system.

A figure of around £39 billion comes to mind.

Theophile wrote: »

Is this another case of 'they need us more than we need them'?

These are just reference sensor station locations.

A reference station located in South Argentina will do that job just as well as one located on The Malvinas.

Sure there will be extra cost. But minimal compared to project size.

The main Galileo ground network infrastructure (tracking, telemetry, ground control, etc....) is nowhere near british territory and thank God for that.

As I said before, I cannot find it on the net but I am fairly sure a British company is behind the software on this.

A large amount of anti-British sentiment comes through in your post, not least in your mention of "The Malvinas". That was the point at which Obama lost my confidence, when he called The Falkland Islands "The Malvinas".

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

We spent serious money on a German motor, but I sense it might be the last. It's not like there is a lack of alternatives.

Was it actually made in Germany. My German motor was built in the USA.

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

How many third countries have contributed over a billion quid to a project that the EU will restrict access to?

The EU will need access to stations in the Falklands, Ascension and Diego Garcia for Galileo to work successfully. Should we give them that?

As Herzlos said, Brexit it a self inflicted injury. You wanted to become a 3rd party and now you are one.

I suspect what Leave fanatics are most upset about is that it's now becoming impossible to hide the extent of the damage that Brexit will cause the whole country, to those that didn't vote, and those that voted Leave based on lies.

The UK was an active part of the EU, and as one of the largest countries called many of the shots. All that is coming to an end now.