Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

No I didn't tune into his show.

You're missing the root cause on trade. Increasingly growth is coming from other parts of the world and as most trade takes place between geographic near neighbours under RTAs it shouldn't be a surprise that Europe's share falls.
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Yeah, that's why the USA is running a $370 billion a year trade deficit with China....coz they is neighbours

It's really about ambition isn't it. You either believe in the global village or you don't.

I know what went wrong in the pre-Brexit run up. We sent Cameron on his EU concessions roadshow, when we actually should have sent Trump as a paid deal maker.

Sapphire

kabayiri wrote: »

It can't be proven that it was hate which drove the mass majority of leavers.

If you have lost your job to some local Poles or French or Dutch, you're probably more peeved about losing your job than against any particular nationality.

In history, it has actually been shown that outsiders are generally blamed when wages drop or people lose their jobs. The Jews arrived from Tsarist Russia mostly in the late 19th century, and I believe it was in the early 20th century that restrictions were placed on immigration from abroad precisely because politicians of the time feared the reaction of people in the UK (many of whom were desperately poor) to the huge influx. And that was with a group of people who made a special effort to integrate, via Rothschild's schemes (which I won't go into because that is such a complex story).

Malthusian

Ballard wrote: »

I don’t know quite how you’ve arrived at any of this nonsense. It’s generally better not to drift into childish hyperbole if you want to make a valid point and be taken seriously but it is your choice, of course.

Much like Soviet apparatchiks, Remainers really don't like being made fun of. It betrays their fundamental insecurity. They can't laugh it off, secure in the knowledge that they're not actually like their parody, because they are.

Ballard wrote: »

The thing is that they could guage how the markets would react to a remain vote knowing that it’d be turned on its head when the actual result was known a few hours later.

Nobody knew the actual result until around 3am when it became mathematically certain.

This is the fundamental truth which you are failing to grasp, as it is a matter of mathematical reality rather than tribal wibble.

Ballard

Malthusian wrote: »

Nobody knew the actual result until around 3am when it became mathematically certain.

This is the fundamental truth which you are failing to grasp, as it is a matter of mathematical reality rather than tribal wibble.

It’s true that the result wasn’t known but they were playing with a marked deck. A gamble very well worth taking, as was proved.

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

It's not our job to come up with a solution for Africa!

It's not Nigeria's job to come up with a solution for the refugees in Germany.

It's not Japan's job to worry about Mexicans illegally entering USA.

When did this liberal claptrap become popular, that we had to solve the world's ills?

Africa has to fix Africa's problems. The EU / UK can't find jobs for an extra 1 billion Africans in the next 30 years. It's fantasy.

That attitude is a return to the dark ages. It's not our job, or not in my backyard....sounds so trite and easy......... turning your back on the world doesn't work though....that's why the EU was important. Africans are coming to Europe anyway. We can't just turn our back on Italy, we have international responsibilities. Eastern Europe is less of a problem than it would have been without the EU. Putin wants brexit because it weakens us!

Lornapink

ilovehouses wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44609003

Drip.

Drip;
JUNE 2018 Jaguar Land Rover to increase the range of engines manufactured at its Wolverhampton factory as part of wider £20bn five-year investment programme https://!!!!!!/2lze7NR #GBmfg

Jun 26 - YORKSHIRE: Arco to create 190 jobs at WORX. The UK!!!8217;s leading safety company has completed a deal to open a national customer engagement centre in a former newspaper office, bringing around 200 jobs to its home city of Hull.
http://www.bqlive.co.uk/yorkshire/2018/06/25/news/arco-to-create-190-jobs-at-worx-32836/ !!!8230;

Jun 26 - Mecc Alte UK is set to invest over £3.2m in the expansion of its UK operation with a third site to support its growing alternator business. At the same time, increasing the operations of its sister company, Cabel UK, an electromechanical specialist. http://!!!!!!/U8DN30kEkcM #ukmfg

25 Jun - Jaguar Land Rover to open a new software, IT and engineering centre in #Manchester to support its strategy to introduce connected technologies in future vehicles
https://!!!!!!/2luvQWO #GBmfg!!!127468;!!!127463;

25 Jun - Historic #Leicester #metrology #manufacturer @TaylorHobson adds more than £10m in turnover
https://buff.ly/2yFqth3 #GBmfg #ukmfg

25 Jun - New £100m 'global centre of #rail excellence' to be built in #Wales. Would mean #manufacturers don't have to send trains across Europe for testing. Facility announcement just months after millions to be ploughed into new Wales & Border franchise.

#GBmfg https://!!!!!!/2MY2Cwf

25 Jun - Hull-based engineering company (heeco) is targeting new markets following an investment in 33,000 sq ft of new manufacturing and workshop space.
https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/yorkshire/hull-manufacturer-invests-in-facilities

Jun 25 20m investment:: @LPWTechnology officially opens new 90,000 sq ft additive manufacturing powder factory in Widnes
https://!!!!!!/2tnUCfJ #3dprinting #Cheshire #GBmfg!!!127468;!!!127463;

22 Jun 2018 - Business Secretary opens world!!!8217;s largest glass furnace in UK
https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/business-secretary-opens-worlds-largest-glass-furnace-in-uk/


26/Jun/2018 - Department for International Trade
75,968 new jobs created by foreign direct investment in 2017/18 !!!8211; 67,060 thanks to DIT help, today's figures show.

Lornapink

Moby wrote: »

That attitude is a return to the dark ages. It's not our job, or not in my backyard....sounds so trite and easy

This attitude is so out of date. Your 'solution' means the decimation of already struggling African nations that need their citizens if they are to have a hope in developing.

Those without compassion applaud encouraging Africa's nurse and Doctors to come to over-entitled Britain leaving the poorest children on the planet with even lessor medical access.

Encouraging and cheerleading mass immigration is a tired clapped-out narrative from yesteryear, it harms Africa and European citizens have had enough.

Liberal / Centrist sneery, morally indignant tonality is precisely why populist tsunamis are occurring across Europe, people are sick to the back teeth of the arrogance and naivety of the that class.

Oh, and FYI a red wave is now occurring in Saintly Canada, people are awakening, everywhere.

Thrugelmir

Some perspective..........

Siemens strikes deal with German unions over job cuts

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-siemens-restructuring/siemens-strikes-deal-with-german-unions-over-job-cuts-idUSKBN1I90VN

PSA wants 3,700 Opel job cuts in Germany, labor chief says

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20180420/ANE/180429959/psa-wants-3700-opel-job-cuts-in-germany-labor-chief-says

EON to Cut 5,000 Jobs in Overhaul of German Utilities

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-12/eon-to-cut-5-000-jobs-in-deal-to-shakeup-german-utility-industry

Lornapink

Sapphire wrote: »

In history, it has actually been shown that outsiders are generally blamed when wages drop or people lose their jobs.


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^From the play book of the left and 'educators' over the last 5 decades.
There was no pan-European uprising against immigration over the last few decades. In Britain we largely all got used 30,000 net annual immigration.

Today's issues are bound up with authoritarian centrists inflicting mass immigration without consent, and then seeking to silence concern by playing the race and ignorance cards.


It's a numbers issue regardless of whether immigrants hail from Poland or Peru. Road congestion is real. Housing shortage wont be 'solved' simply by building - more people will simply keep coming, nothing will be solved.

Lefties say 'but if we enforce MW rules, workers will be cool', no they ruddy well wont, they want wages to RISE, they don't want the MW being the norm thanks to mass immigration.

Herzlos

Lorna; all those increases are good news. Are any caused by or related to Brexit?

I'm not sure anyone's keeping a tally of gains/losses which is a shame.

You do realise that no one is claiming there won't be new jobs post brexit; just less than there would otherwise be?