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  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
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    I cannot believe that a flipped ticket caused all this work/fuss. Have people taken leave of their senses?
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • claxtome
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    I cannot believe that a flipped ticket caused all this work/fuss. Have people taken leave of their senses?

    I totally agree TD but I am trying to help not just myself but others to quash this type of offence for the future.

    I am happy I think I have found a winning point when looking at the Parking Contract signed by Claimant.
    The other party is not a registered company and is certainly not therefore a representative of the landowner.
  • The_Deep
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    Well, if you have the time, the ability, and the wherewithal to engage in this farrago, good luck to you, but I fear that you are urnating windwardly. As long as the unwashed continue to pay, PPCs will not change their behaviour.

    It needs parliament, and the judges to put a stop to this nonsense.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • claxtome
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    Sorry to repeat but was wondering if the experts on here know the answer to the question->

    1) How do you calculate loss of earnings/hour when sending in your costs schedule to court?
    I believe it is based on your net income but is that gross - Income tax - National Insurance AND ignore other deductions such as pension / health care etc?

    Also would very much appreciate it if someone can read/comment/appraise my Skeleton Argument above.
  • KeithP
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    claxtome wrote: »
    Sorry to repeat but was wondering if the experts on here know the answer to the question->

    1) How do you calculate loss of earnings/hour when sending in your costs schedule to court?
    I believe it is based on your net income but is that gross - Income tax - National Insurance AND ignore other deductions such as pension / health care etc?

    With the greatest respect, you seem to be moving well away from parking with that question.

    Would you be better asking that question somewhere like legalbeagles?
  • Coupon-mad
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    I believe it is based on your net income but is that gross - Income tax - National Insurance AND ignore other deductions such as pension / health care etc?
    Not an expert but - except for tax purposes - the term 'net income' to me, has the basic meaning of the sum you take home, and therefore you could claim that sum per hour because that's your actual loss, or your equivalent loss of leave:
    ''27.14.2(e) a sum not exceeding the amount specified in Practice Direction 27 for any loss of earnings or loss of leave by a party or witness due to attending a hearing or to staying away from home for the purposes of attending a hearing''

    However, ESPEL has no legal personality and was not capable of entering into any contract, thus rendering both the Parking Contract and any contract with the driver incapable of performance or enforcement.
    Why do they have 'no legal personality'?
    1.2. The party 'Total CarPark Solutions', in the Parking Contract, is claimed has the right to grant the rights in the Parking Contract is not the landowner or another entity authorised by the landowner. 'Total CarPark Solutions', or similar name, is not even a recognised company according to Companies House [Orange tab p39].
    The above is not grammatical.

    If you are saying that it appears one (non landowner) parking firm has attempted to confer rights to another parking firm, I would say that in simple words. Not sure if I have misunderstood?

    You have the Buckingham Palace thing there twice, and other repetition that I'd say weed out.

    Does anything in PACE v Lengyel assist your case? It is a good written decision by DJ Iyer:

    http://www.parking-prankster.com/more-case-law.html

    This SA is very very long, so long that a Judge might feel it doesn't assist the court/case. If you are to use a SA, it should be a summary in concise lines/bullet points of your case and legal arguments, whereas this is very detailed.
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  • claxtome
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    Thanks for your help as always Coupon-mad.
    I have heeded what you said and shortened the SA drastically.
    Does anything in PACE v Lengyel assist your case? It is a good written decision by DJ Iyer:

    http://www.parking-prankster.com/more-case-law.html
    Unfortunately I don't think this case helps.
    In this case it was decided the defendant couldn't comply with the contract as they didn't have a permit as they had never been issued one.
    In my case I complied with all the terms of the contract - any breach being de minimis.

    Here is my succinct draft->

    IN THE XXXXX COUNTY COURT Claim Number: XXXX

    ES Parking Enforcement Ltd
    (Claimant)
    -AND-

    XXXX
    (Defendant)

    ___________________________________________________________________________

    DEFENDANTS SKELETON ARGUMENT
    FOR THE HEARING XX.03.18
    ___________________________________________________________________________


    Terms used in this document:

    Beavis Case: Cavendish Square Holdings BV v Talal El Makdessi; ParkingEye Limited v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67
    BPA: British Parking Association
    CoP: Code of Practice (issued by both BPA and IPC)
    ESPEL: ES Parking Enforcement Ltd; issued the NtD and NtK in this case
    IPC: International Parking Community
    The Land: Land near Winwick Street, Warrington [Green tab p18]
    NtD: Notice to Driver
    NtK: Notice to Keeper
    The Parking Contract: The agreement dated 12.02.15 between Total CarPark Solutions and ESPEL exhibited to the Claimants Statement [Orange tab p39].
    PCN: Penalty Charge Notice (the same as the NtD, a ticket; stuck to the windscreen of a vehicle informing the driver of a charge)


    References in [] are to tab, page and paragraph numbers of the Defendants bundle.

    Summary of Defendant's position
    The suggest approach to this matter is for the court to decide in turn upon the following issues:
    ISSUE A: Has the Claimant Locus Standi to offer a contract?
    ISSUE B: Is the Signage consistent and permitted to be displayed?
    ISSUE C: Was the contract between the Claimant and the Defendant breached at all?

    ISSUE A: Has the Claimant Locus Standi to offer a contract?

    1. The Claimant has no Locus Standi to bring this claim [Red tab p6 para7] because:

    1.1. The party 'Total CarPark Solutions', in the Parking Contract, is not the landowner or another entity authorised by the landowner. 'Total CarPark Solutions', or similar name, is not even a recognised company according to Companies House [Orange tab p39].

    1.2. Part B Paragraph 1.1 of the IPC CoP specifically provides that the Claimant must have written authorisation of the landowner [Blue tab p60]. Compliance with the CoP is mandatory. Implicit in this is that Claimant would have no rights under the Parking Contract if they were not granted by the landowner.

    1.3. The Land is divided into 4 title numbers; 3 Freehold and 1Leasehold; none of which mention a landowner or leaseholder similar to 'Total CarPark Solutions' [p88].

    1.4. Indeed the landowner according to titles CH178919 and CH506108, and the leaseholder according to title LA139982, is Winwick Partnership which is registered in England and Wales under ref LP009364. There are two general partners; Faraday Management Ltd (registered in the Isle of Man) and Winwick Ltd, (Register 04969819) [p93, p98 and p101].

    1.5. The landowner according to the final title CH588779 is ZOE Warrington Ltd which is registered in England and Wales under Register 03563382 [p105].

    1.6. The Defendant relies on Ebbw Vale Urban DC v South Wales Traffic Area Licensing Authority [1951] 1 All ER 806 (as set out in Air-Care Ltd v Blais and Les Immeubles Pro-Car Limitee et al) in which it was held that each entity in a group of companies (and their rights and obligations) is separate and distinct, and for one connected business entity to pass rights onto another, those rights must be granted by way of a formal agreement. If there is no formal agreement, the rights/obligations of one entity cannot become the rights/obligations of another entity, even if it is connected/part of the same group of companies/under common ownership.

    1.7. The Defendant also relies on:
    ParkingEye Ltd v Gosnold (parking contract with non-landowner not valid)
    ParkingEye Ltd v Rickard (Claimant did not produce evidence of a contract with the landowner).

    1.8. The Parking Contract evidenced by the Claimant is incomplete as Clause 8 mentions "..terms and conditions overleaf" and now out of date as was valid for 1 year and signed on 12.02.15. [Orange tab p39].

    ISSUE B: Is the Signage/Contract consistent and permitted to be displayed?
    2. The signage displayed on the Land on the relevant date (XX.05.17) is inconsistent:

    2.1. The printout of the sign exhibited to the Claimant's Statement [Orange tab p40] cannot be a true copy of the signage displayed at the relevant time, as the Defendant has discovered different signage on the Land [p87].

    3. The Claiman's advertising consent for signage has expired:

    3.1. The Defendant's evidence shows it expired on 24.02.17 long before the day in question [Green tab p28-31]. The Claimant's statement refutes this but has not provided any evidence to back this. This proves the Claimant is aware that advertising consent for signage is required [Orange tab p37 para18] [Yellow tab p12 para18].

    3.2. The Claimant relies on the signage as having formed a contract with the driver [Orange tab page 35 para4]. The contract formed between the Claimant and the driver, was illegal at its formation because it was incapable of being created without an illegal act (the erection of the un-consented signs which the Claimant relies on as having made a contractual offer) and unclear due to inconsistent signage (see paragraph 2.1 above).

    3.3. It is a criminal offence under Regulation 30 of the Town and Country Planning (Control of Advertisements) (England) Regulations 2007 to display advertisements (which these signs are) without the relevant consent and therefore the Claimant is in breach of paragraph A3.1 of the CoP [Blue tab P58].

    3.4. Claimant is not entitled to rely on an illegal or immoral act in order to profit from it pursuant to doctrine ex dolo malo non oritur actio. [Red tab p6 para8]

    3.5. The rationale for the doctrine is set out in the early case of Holman v Johnson (1775) 1 Cowp 341 where Lord Mansfield said:
    "The objection, that a contract is immoral or illegal as between plaintiff and defendant, sounds at all times very ill in the mouth of the defendant. It is not for his sake, however, that the objection is ever allowed; but it is founded in general principles of policy, which the defendant has the advantage of, contrary to the real justice, as between him and the plaintiff, by accident, if I may say so. The principle of public policy is this; ex dolo malo non oritur actio ["no action arises from deceit"]. No court will lend its aid to a man who founds his cause of action upon an immoral or an illegal act. If, from the plaintiff's own standing or otherwise, the cause of action appears to arise ex turpi causa ["from an immoral cause"], or the transgression of a positive law of this country, there the court says he has no right to be assisted."

    3.6. The principle was reaffirmed in RTA (Business Consultants) Ltd v Bracewell [2015] EWHC 630 (QB) (12 March 2015) where, at paragraph 34 of the judgment the above passage was cited.

    3.7. The Court!!!8217;s attention is also drawn to Andre Agassi v S Robinson (HM Inspector of Taxes) [2005] EWCA Civ 1507. Whilst not wholly aligned to the issues in this case it has been produced because of the principle it extols that no one should profit from their unlawful conduct.

    3.8. It must be contrary to public policy for a court to enforce a contract whereby a party will profit from its criminal conduct. ParkingEye v Somerfield Stores [2012] EWCA Civ 1338 concerned an alleged illegal contract. Whilst the facts of that case are not relevant, the Judge's comments at paragraph 29 are of importance:
    "At common law, historically, a distinction has been drawn between cases where the guilty party intended from the time of entering the contract unlawfully and cases where the intention to perform unlawfully was only made subsequently".

    3.9. In Somerfield the contract was upheld because the Claimant had no intention, when creating the contract, to deliberately break the law. Differently in this case, the problem arose at the formation of the contract and not in relation to any subsequent act: the Claimant did deliberately break the law by keeping the parking signs displayed which it asserts stated contractual terms, without first renewing the mandatory consent required by law. Thus a crime was committed. Therefore, the illegality in this action was not merely incidental to the creation and part of the performance of the contract as in Somerfield but was central to it. Somerfield guides us that where there was a chance to remove the illegality from future performance the contract could remain in force. In this action the illegality of the Claiman's signage that existed on the day of the parking cannot be undone, even by any subsequent grant renewal of advertisement consent.


    ISSUE C: Was the contract between the Claimant and the Defendant breached at all?
    4. The Defendant complied with the signage seen at the site and entered a contract by purchasing and displaying a valid ticket for the time parked in the car park.

    4.1. The contract was not breached as the signage states "A valid ticket must be purchased to park on this site and displayed clearly in your front windscreen" [Orange tab p40]. It certainly does not mention "display face upwards" OR "display showing expiry date and time" OR something similar [Red tab p5 para5f]. Any breach (which, for avoidance of doubt, is denied) is de minimis [Yellow tab p10 para8].

    4.2. The term "displayed clearly" is not transparent per Section 68 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015. Where contract terms have different meanings Section 69 of Consumer Rights Act 2015 provides a statutory form of the contra proferentum rule, such that uncertainty must be resolved in favour of the consumer [Red tab p5 para5e].

    4.3. The main Claimant argument is the ticket is not displayed the right way up so could not check the validity of the ticket. The Defendant would counter this that the Claimant has had plenty of opportunity to see a copy of the valid ticket sent to them and quash the parking charge. Both at the appeal and Letter Before Claim stages [Green tab p19-20 and p26] [Yellow tab p11 para10 and 14].

    4.4. Comments about the upside down ticket [Red tab p4 para5]:
    4.4.1. It was a sunny but windy day and as the ticket is very flimsy and can easily be flipped particularly as it a big open car park. [Yellow tab p10 para6]
    4.4.2. Has no sticky back to allow it to be fixed to the windscreen.
    4.4.3. It has a serial number on the reverse side of the ticket [Orange tab p36 para14] [Yellow tab p10 para7].
    4.4.4. A number plate is required to be entered in the ticket machine when payment is made so either a check of this, or the serial number on the back of the ticket, especially as the parking charge was sent through the post, could have been done prior to sending the parking charge out [Yellow tab p10 para7].
    4.4.5. The Claimant avers that the ticket is flimsy and says having no sticky back is irrelevant [Orange tab p36 para11]. Council adjudicators (included here as in the Beavis case they were happy to draw similarities with Council parking cases) have often referred to the issue of "fluttering flimsy tickets" [Yellow tab p12 para20 and p13 para21]:

    4.5. The Defendant relies on Jolly v Carmel (2000) in which the court held that a party who makes reasonable endeavours and reasonable steps to comply with contractual terms should not be penalised for breach outside of their control and outside of any contractual term within their knowledge [Yellow tab p12 para19].

    4.6 The Defendant also relies on D3GF4P9D Private Parking Solutions London -v- Mrs A, before DJ Hammond. The DJ started by saying the whole case turned on the fact that a ticket had been purchased, and he wasn't going to delve into any other arguments.. The ticket had been placed face down on the dashboard, so the PPC were entitled to issue the PCN. However, when they were shown the evidence, and proof of purchase of the ticket, they could not penalise the driver the Beavis case made it clear that a charge which would otherwise be a penalty, could be upheld if it acted as a deterrent against breach. That did not apply here, as there was nothing to deter.

    4.7. On the day the Defendant had every intention to pay for parking, and did so, and complied with the terms of parking in the car park. Any breach (which, for avoidance of doubt, is denied) was de minimis "too trivial or minor to merit consideration" and the ticket flipping over was casus fortutitus "chance occurrence, unavoidable accident" [Yellow tab p12 para18].


    REBUTTAL OF CLAIMANT EVIDENCE

    5. The Claimant will no doubt assert that the principles in Beavis apply to this case. The factual matrix of the Beavis case was very different, in several important respects:

    5.1. In Beavis the Defendant accepted that there was a contract formed by the signage, which was exceptionally clear and prominently displayed (a photograph of the sign in the Beavis case is at page [Green tab p33]). The case was therefore concerned only with the issue of damages and not liability for breach of contract. Neither admission has been made in this case.

    5.2. The car park in Beavis was at a retail park, where a free period of parking was offered, and where there was a commercial justification in deterring visitors from overstaying so as to ensure a turnover of visitors to the commercial units. This justified a departure from the penalty rule. This is a standalone car park with no such commercial justification/interest where such a departure is NOT justified.

    5.3. In Beavis the Claimant paid the landowner to operate the parking, and so the Claimant had to generate an income from doing so in order to cover its costs and make a profit. In this case, the Claimant is paid by the other party to the Parking Contract, so has no need to manage the parking in such a manner as to profit from PCNs.

    5.4. The issue of illegality and Ex dolo malo non oritur actio was not an issue in Beavis, as it is in this case.

    6. The Claimant's map of signage [Orange tab p41] submitted as evidence is now out of date as it shows no border between the Claimant's part and the Council-run part. (The Boundary is approximately from the pub vertically downwards).


    SERVED BY THE DEFENDANT
    26 March 2018

    Also in word form if you prefer->
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  • claxtome
    claxtome Posts: 628 Forumite
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    I am going to send to court / Claimant evidence of 4 Land Registry titles.

    They are not Land Registry official copies (expensive to get get these and now too late).
    Will the judge allow it do you think?

    Here is a link to one of the titles in case it helps to answer the question->
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8j63yhjx5mba5y/RegisterCH178919-1.pdf?dl=0

    Any suggestions
  • Castle
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    claxtome wrote: »
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    DEFENDANTS SKELETON ARGUMENT
    FOR THE HEARING XX.03.18
    ___________________________________________________________________________


    Terms used in this document:

    Beavis Case: Cavendish Square Holdings BV v Talal El Makdessi; ParkingEye Limited v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67
    BPA: British Parking Association
    CoP: Code of Practice (issued by both BPA and IPC)
    ESPEL: ES Parking Enforcement Ltd; issued the NtD and NtK in this case
    IPC: International Parking Community
    The Land: Land near Winwick Street, Warrington [Green tab p18]
    NtD: Notice to Driver
    NtK: Notice to Keeper
    The Parking Contract: The agreement dated 12.02.15 between Total CarPark Solutions and ESPEL exhibited to the Claimants Statement [Orange tab p39].
    PCN: Penalty Charge Notice (the same as the NtD, a ticket; stuck to the windscreen of a vehicle informing the driver of a charge)

    I think this should be Parking:)
  • Fruitcake
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    This was another case of an upside down ticket being thrown out by a judge.

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