Help to buy a new TV for SKY Q

Francesanne

We bought a Panasonic 4K 50 TV last September from Panasonic store. Believe it was under a £1,000. Still trying to decide whether it's worth investing in SKYQ. HD is already excellent but do love watching SKY footie.

almillar

First thing to establish is that you're actually getting the 4K Sky box. A full HD TV will be a lot cheaper than a 4K one. And a 'normal' 4K TV will be cheaper than one that can do HDR properly.
With your £2k budget, though, you're fine. You might even manage a 65" TV, or maybe a 60.
There aren't a lot of TV's that can actually output HDR properly. The Samsung '7 series' (Their TVs with 7xxx as a model number) apparently can.
The problem is that HDR (High Dynamic Range) is a system allowing a greater range of brightness. Lots of TVs are able to process this information, and will be badged 'HDR' but very few of them at the moment can actually go bright enough to put those HDR numbers out on the screen. Imagine a flash or explosion on the TV. In real life, maybe it would make you squint or look away - that should be the case on an HDR TV.
You can choose to save plenty of money and go without, but it's just a labelling thing that could be worse than the 'Full HD/HD Ready' rubbish. Lots of people think they're watching HDR when they're not.

wongataa

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

50 frames per second (minimum)

All televisions sold can do this.

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

HDMI 2.2HDCP

This standard was released in 2013. Televisions old in 2017 will have it.

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

UHD
4K
2160 pixels

All mean the same thing

Mrs_pbradley936 wrote: »

MHL

Only required if you are plugging in a phone/tablet to the TV via the phone's/tablet's USB port and want to display the phone's/tablets screen on the TV. You would need a compatible phone/tablet as well.

harz99

Lots of decent 4K/HDR big screens at Richer Sounds well within your budget, maybe this one:


https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/4k-ultra-hd-tvs/panasonic-tx58ex700b.html


https://www.whathifi.com/panasonic/tx-58ex700b/specs


Happy hunting.

System

At 55 inches you are wasting your money getting 4K unless you sit less than 5ft from the TV. Sit at the UK average of 7-8ft away and you will not tell the difference between 1080p and 4K.

mobileron

Note Richersounds will give u up to 6 years free warranty and there service is first class.

System

If you've got £2k to spend I can heartily recommend getting a LG OLED TV. They are THE BEST PICTURE there is. Because of the way OLED works you don't get the downsides of LED, which is that the level of black is dependent on the brightest part of the scene due to LED screens having to use backlights. Because on an OLED each pixel has its own backlight then you can have a scene with the brightest white in it with a completely black bit right next to it and the black bit will be pure black, not a dark shade of grey.

This is the only 55" TV I would consider:

https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/all-tvs/lg-oled55b7v.html

I would also pay someone to professionally calibrate it as well to ensure colour accuracy. To want to go to the lengths you are for the image quality you are hoping to get but then not have it calibrated is like doing half the jobs. It cost me £250 to have mine calibrated by Vincent Teoh who runs the HDTVTest website. He takes his time doing it and will do different profiles for day and night viewing as well as gaming.

Here is what mine was like out of the box. As you can see there is too much blue resulting in a cold-ish coloured white. Green is also too low at higher brightnesses.



After calibration. When looking at scenes of buildings on a sunny day they had a very slight yellow tint to the colour which wasn't present before calibration, they looked more cold. If you look at a brick wall on a sunny day you'll notice its yellow tint. Skin tones also looked far more natural. You would not believe how good Formula 1 looks on Sky F1.

Delta errors below 3 are imperceivable to the human eye.




OLEDs must be good and a professionally calibrated one even moreso by the number of people who have been to my house, seen my 55"1080p LG OLED TV and think it is a 4K one.

wongataa

Tarambor wrote: »

At 55 inches you are wasting your money getting 4K unless you sit less than 5ft from the TV. Sit at the UK average of 7-8ft away and you will not tell the difference between 1080p and 4K.

Whilst you may not get the full benefit of 4K by not sitting 5ft away from the TV I can easily see a difference between full HD and 4K at greater differences for that size of set.

You can't just say it is pointless, just the benefits are not as large.

neilmcl

wongataa wrote: »

Whilst you may not get the full benefit of 4K by not sitting 5ft away from the TV I can easily see a difference between full HD and 4K at greater differences for that size of set.

You can't just say it is pointless, just the benefits are not as large.

There's a difference between what you "perceive" and what you can physically see. It's a well documented scientific fact that the eye/brain can only resolve a certain amount of detail at a given distance therefore the further you are away the less detail you will pick out. To get the best of 4K it's usually recommended to sit 1-1.5 times the screen diagonal, so for a 55" TV anything over 7 feet wont do it justice.

System

wongataa wrote: »

Whilst you may not get the full benefit of 4K by not sitting 5ft away from the TV I can easily see a difference between full HD and 4K at greater differences for that size of set.

You can't just say it is pointless, just the benefits are not as large.

Sorry but you're wrong. I know you're wrong because of science. The human eye has a thing called the ocular arc. This is used to determine the size of dot that can be actually seen at any given distance and therefore produce the following graph:



A simple test to demonstrate the ocular arc and how it is important in this matter:

1) Get someone to get a sheet of A4 and with a very sharp pencil put the smallest dot they can on the paper without telling you where it is. That will be larger, about twice the size of a pixel on a 55" 4k screen but it'll do for demonstrating the point.
2) Get them to place it on the wall at the opposite side of the room.
3) Slowly walk towards the paper and when you think you can see the dot, stop and guide their finger to where you think it is and ask them if it is there.
4) Repeat the exercise until you get to the point where you actually can see the dot. At that point that is where you will just START to see the benefit of 4k over 1080p on a 55" screen.

Now I'm not saying you don't notice a difference in picture quality above those distances, I'm just saying it isn't because of the resolution. You notice a difference because it'll be a newer set with a better colour gamut, better contrast ratio, wider viewing angle and HDR. The improvements in the image are nothing to do with the higher resolution but because it is a far better panel and you would notice the same improvement had the panel been a 1080p one. As I said in my previous post, people visiting my house automatically assume my 1080p OLED TV is 4K because of the picture quality.