Parking charge - permit on show but not in bay

Coupon-mad

I think you can find out a landowner quicker than that from Land Registry - ring them and ask, in the morning.

So could I ring up the council and ask them who pays?

Yes and if they fob you off to 'put it in writing' explain that time is of the essence (and why!) and ask for an email address where you will get a quick response and answer, or tell them that you/a relative to to pop into the Council offices in person to get the answer in writing in person on Monday, so please can they get it ready, or email it.

Ask, ask, ask, and tell the LR and Council how urgent it is and ask how they can help you.

Laura_Higgs_76

Sorry another question - is the British Parking Assosiation nothing to do with PCM? Is that another version of the IPC or is it still relevant?

claxtome

There are 2 regulatory Approved Operator Schemes in the parking industry. British Parking Association (BPA) is one International Parking Community (IPC) is the other.

A parking firm is only an "Approved" member of one. They each have a Code of Practice and are allowed to follow POFA 2012 Schedule 4 2012 guidelines to find out the registered keeper of a vehicle from DVLA.

PCM is an IPC Approved member:
https://theipc.info/aos-members/p

To cloud this issue slightly - it is quite common for some of the IPC Approved members to be also "general" members of BPA (not "Approved" members).

HTH

Coupon-mad

Laura_Higgs_76 wrote: »

Sorry another question - is the British Parking Assosiation nothing to do with PCM?

Correct. NOTHING to do with PCM since they jumped ship to the IPC years ago, from the BPA.

Laura_Higgs_76

I rang the council and they were no help at all - pointed me in the direction of Land Registry.

However, on the land registry I could find the area myself and get the details. It says;
"(29.12.2016) By a Deed dated 29 December 2016 made between (1) DV4
Trustee No 1 UK Limited and DV4 Trustee No 2 UK Limited (2) Milton Park
Homes Limited (3) BDW Trading Limited and (4) Phoenix Quarter Estate
Management Company Limited the terms of the lease dated 27 March 2015
of Garage 531, Phoenix Quarter referred to in the schedule of leases
hereto were varied."

Therefore I believe the car park does belong to Phoenix Quarter Estate Management Company, but as you have pointed out, the contract still isn't valid.

System

BDW Trading is Barretts and when they finish as scheme they set up a Management Company (for the common areas) on behalf of the residents i.e Phoenix Quarter Estate Management Company

See #74. What is missing is the contract between Gem and Phoenix as you would expect Phoenix to have issued the contract rather than Gem. That is where the likely fraud mistake has been made in their paperwork.

Laura_Higgs_76

claxtome wrote: »

You can send a skeleton to the court a day or two before the day. You need to let the claimant have a copy but if necessary can wait until the day
Just in case the court mislays it I would take a spare with you on the day.

Hi Claxtome

Can I just confirm that my skeleton argument doesn't need to go to the Claimant in advance? I sent it to the court yesterday by email (they advised on the phone).

Loadsofchildren123

send it to the Claimant as well

Laura_Higgs_76

Thanks loadsofchildren - I am worried however that they will not receive it in time - it is tomorrow at 10am? They also noted that they don't accept files by email?

nosferatu1001

Well theres nothing you can do. You just send it. Its up to them to disagree at the hearing.