Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Yes. We'll just pay more for them. The cost is largely hidden behind a PCP anyway.

Need the parts shipped in from Germany to build them though.

ukcarper

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Silencing Boris Johnson and others who cant help but speak before thinking would be an excellent start... No harm in trying to be respectful towards those youre negotiating with. The government currently seems more interested in bravado for the tabloids and brexiters, rather than trying get along with the EU. Good for the conservative party, not for the country.

As for the settlement, putting forward a position paper on how we think what we owe should be calculated wouldnt go amiss. Remember, these negotiations are for and about the UK, we instigated it, so when theres a lack of preparedness or an attitude of 'constructive ambiguity' its kind of understandable that the EU is getting p**sed off... From their perspective we're just wasting their time.

Both those criticisms could be levelled at EU. If someone was expecting me to pay for something I would want them to provide a detailed statement,

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Need the parts shipped in from Germany to build them though.

Which will just take longer and cost more.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Both those criticisms could be levelled at EU. If someone was expecting me to pay for something I would want them to provide a detailed statement,

That's pretty much the aim of the first round

gfplux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Since you know nothing about me other than what you see within the confines of this forum, you know that how?
Did you miss that I have both direct and indirect family across mainland Europe as well as numerous friend there?
Never assume, unless there is a desire to appear foolish.

From what you now say you are not personally and directly effected by the issue of citizens rights and are not concerned you may have to leave your present country of residence.
However you have direct and indirect family who are concerned about this. Also you have friends who are similarly effected.
Given your strong and outspoken position as a Brexiter how is your relationship with these people. We have heard that many family's and friends have split over this issue.
I hope you have managed to keep in touch with your family, indirect family and friends and not fallen out with them.

cogito

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

Seriously? Presumably youre also of the opinion that anyone anti-brexit is a traitor as well? You completely undermine anything sensible you might otherwise say when you come out with statements like that not to mention the use of the word 'remoaner'

Who did I call a traitor?

Find me a piece from the Guardian that puts Brexit in anything other than a negative light and I'll buy you a pint.

vivatifosi

cogito wrote: »

Find me a piece from the Guardian that puts Brexit in anything other than a negative light and I'll buy you a pint.

Curiously enough, I was about to post a link to this article. It is quite nuanced...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/30/uk-tells-brussels-negotiators-their-brexit-bill-sums-do-not-add-up

cogito

The UK spent yesterday dismantling the EU's legal case over the so called Brexit bill.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-talks-veer-close-to-collapse/

Barnier and co are incandescent. The story is also in the Torygraph but paywalled.

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The UK defaults to WTO rules. That's the bottom line. Business and trade will continue. Politics will simply come second.

BMW directly employs over 18,000 people in the UK. Their Mini and Rolls Royce divisions are currently driving forward group profitability. Where do you think their priorities lie?

Redundancies happen all the times, people lose their jobs. Didn't Wilko announces few weeks ago that 4000 jobs are at risk?

You'd have thought that these people employed by foreign companies relying on EU trade priorities would have been to stay in the EU but many regions voted for Brexit.
You need to flip your argument and think from an EU perspective, is the UK worth the compromise? You make it sound as if when it comes to the UK there are only positive outcomes, that the UK is dictating the terms, that the UK holds "all the cards" but we have seen plenty showing that it is not the case at all.

Of course trade will continue, just do not expect to be on the same terms as today.

ukcarper

always_sunny wrote: »

Redundancies happen all the times, people lose their jobs. Didn't Wilko announces few weeks ago that 4000 jobs are at risk?

You'd have thought that these people employed by foreign companies relying on EU trade priorities would have been to stay in the EU but many regions voted for Brexit.
You need to flip your argument and think from an EU perspective, is the UK worth the compromise? You make it sound as if when it comes to the UK there are only positive outcomes, that the UK is dictating the terms, that the UK holds "all the cards" but we have seen plenty showing that it is not the case at all.

Of course trade will continue, just do not expect to be on the same terms as today.

Is anybody expecting the trade to be the same as it is now, you seem to be saying that we will not settle for anything less than they are now with out freedom of movement, I don't think anybody expects that to happen.