Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Conrad wrote: »

Any chaos is caused by undermining Remainers. We need May out, and a proper leader in her place that has the vision and passion to take others with her, him.

Back seat drivers like Rudd are holding us back.

I would largely agree with that but as below:
Any chaos is caused by undermining Remainers and especially within UK media.

The intensity of pro-remain vehemence is on the rise again I note, notably also within these forums.
Hardly surprising since their anti-Brexit stance is becoming more and more difficult to stand up to scrutiny.

The economy continues to grow - despite warnings that merely voting for Brexit would lead to an "immediate and profound" recession with half a million jobs lost and a 3.5% reduction in GDP.

Employment is at a record high and investment in the UK continues to rise, whilst manufacturing continues to grow.

Our deficit has been falling since 2009 and evidence shows it falling further this year, with (for example) July showing the first surplus in more than a decade and August down 18% compared to last year.

Above all, officially citizens of the UK are happier than they were - despite Brexit.
:T

Small wonder then that the pro-remain contingent are so persistent, even though their "gloom and doom" is repeatedly proven largely unfounded.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

"Theresa May must walk away from Brexit talks by Christmas if trade negotiations are still on hold, Tory MPs say"

Party grandees including former Brexit minister David Jones today insist the Prime Minister should give formal notice that the UK will leave without a deal if “serious” talks on a free trade deal have not begun by the end of the year. They say Britain has “nothing to fear” from a no-deal scenario and must not be “held to ransom” by the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/30/theresa-may-must-walk-away-brexit-talks-christmas-trade-negotiations/
Paywalled but I'm sure you get the idea.
This is what I have been suggesting could happen since the Florence speech.

CKhalvashi

Conrad wrote: »

Any chaos is caused by undermining Remainers. We need May out, and a proper leader in her place that has the vision and passion to take others with her, him.

Back seat drivers like Rudd are holding us back.

No, the chaos is being caused by those in the government taunting the EU on issues that the EU are legally responsible (such as EU nationals rights), before completely disagreeing with each other.

I'm not sure it would have been possible for them to do a worse job if they tried.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

"Theresa May must walk away from Brexit talks by Christmas if trade negotiations are still on hold, Tory MPs say"

She's already shot herself in the foot at least 5 times since becoming PM, I'm sure that the killer blow (for her, for business and for those that she claims to represent if walking away is what she's planning) will finally finish her off, allowing the UK to get someone sensible (such as Amber Rudd) to mop up the mess it'll leave.

Fella

CKhalvashi wrote: »

No, the chaos is being caused by those in the government taunting the EU on issues that the EU are legally responsible (such as EU nationals rights), before completely disagreeing with each other.

I'm not sure it would have been possible for them to do a worse job if they tried.

With respect, in the last year you have literally criticized everything the Brexiteers or the UK Govt have said or done, whilst simultaneously defending literally everything the EU have done.

It makes your opinion meaningless. No matter what the Brexit camp say or do you'll find fault with it. Not matter what the EU do you'll say they're correct.

Zero_Gravitas

Fella wrote: »

With respect, in the last year you have literally criticized everything the Brexiteers or the UK Govt have said or done, whilst simultaneously defending literally everything the EU have done.

It makes your opinion meaningless. No matter what the Brexit camp say or do you'll find fault with it. Not matter what the EU do you'll say they're correct.

And yet for the past year, people like you, Conrad and the medium-sized h*******e have been criticising eveverything the EU and Remain supporters have said and done, whilst unconditionally supporting anything that the Brexit camp have done.

Presumably, you would therefore admit that this makes your opinion worthless as well.

CKhalvashi

Fella wrote: »

With respect, in the last year you have literally criticized everything the Brexiteers or the UK Govt have said or done, whilst simultaneously defending literally everything the EU have done.

It makes your opinion meaningless. No matter what the Brexit camp say or do you'll find fault with it. Not matter what the EU do you'll say they're correct.

No, with respect, in the last year I've been told to shut up whenever I've attempted to give an opinion on anything whilst finding the EU much easier to deal with. C'mon, at least they've answered correspondence sent to them unlike the UK's own government.

It makes my opinion just as valid as yours, yet mine is not being listened to. Had Leavers listened to the views of everyone and taken them into consideration I may have found a lot less fault with it.

The contempt for the public by this government, one where a clear mandate was asked for and not given at a general election, is astounding. Still, as long as we keep you and your Tory mates happy it's ok surely? Well actually no it isn't.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

CKhalvashi wrote: »

She's already shot herself in the foot at least 5 times since becoming PM, I'm sure that the killer blow (for her, for business and for those that she claims to represent if walking away is what she's planning) will finally finish her off, allowing the UK to get someone sensible (such as Amber Rudd) to mop up the mess it'll leave.

See Fella's post above; that is absolutely spot-on.

With every pro-remain allegation that gets proven wrong the suggestion of a "mess" gets more difficult to justify.
This presumably is why so many pro-remain advocates (yourself included) resort to bluster; there is so far no evidence at all that the UK will perish, despite what you and others including our media insist upon trying to tell us and much though you appear to wish it upon our country.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

And yet for the past year, people like you, Conrad and the medium-sized h*******e have been criticising eveverything the EU and Remain supporters have said and done, whilst unconditionally supporting anything that the Brexit camp have done.

Presumably, you would therefore admit that this makes your opinion worthless as well.

An excellent example of the blinkered approach taken by some remainers - and totally wrong to boot.
"Unconditionally supporting anything that the Brexit camp have done." - :rotfl:
No; it is more that (strangely) you and others seem not to like alternatives to your pro-EU propaganda pointed out to you.
Just because alternative views are bought to your attention doesn't necessarily mean they are "unconditionally supported".

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

Any chaos is caused by undermining Remainers. We need May out, and a proper leader in her place that has the vision and passion to take others with her, him.

Back seat drivers like Rudd are holding us back.

Interesting pov. I was just thinking about this myself this morning.

Now is probably quite a good time for a Conservative Leadership competition imho. This time the decision should be made by the membership - whom, it is said, would have chosen Andrea Leadsom last time.

Fella

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

And yet for the past year, people like you, Conrad and the medium-sized h*******e have been criticising eveverything the EU and Remain supporters have said and done, whilst unconditionally supporting anything that the Brexit camp have done.

Presumably, you would therefore admit that this makes your opinion worthless as well.

Great post...... except it's not true.

If you'd care to back up what you say by listing my posts "criticising eveverything the EU and Remain supporters have said and done, whilst unconditionally supporting anything that the Brexit camp have done" then I'll agree with you. Otherwise I await the apology I'm sure you'll be big enough to provide.