Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

For something that will probably never happen apparently, why is it so well-discussed and by so many?
Here are just a few; if anyone is interested in how often this is mentioned by senior Eurocrats have a web search.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/19/eu-army-inevitable-says-senior-german-official/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/13/jean-claude-junckers-federalist-vision-for-the-eu-is-far-from-reality

http://www.voxeurop.eu/en/2017/european-defence-5121268

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/22/germany-is-quietly-building-a-european-army-under-its-command/

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brussels-reveals-vision-for-european-army-to-supersede-nato-zw3j2qrdk

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/06/europe-forges-ahead-with-plans-for-eu-army/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/jean-claude-juncker-calls-for-eu-army-european-commission-miltary

Turkey?
The EU is on a hiding to nothing there; it's already cost them how many billions to look after the refugees wanting entry into the EU. They are still there, you know.

I'm not suggesting any of this will come to pass but none of the above are yet decided.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

*Disclaimer*
Opinion piece ahead - with suggestions as to why the EU will likely maintain its obstinate, domineering stance regarding Brexit:

Whether national governments in the Council will go along with Juncker’s ambitious plans is doubtful – and highly contingent on future events, such as current coalition talks in Germany, or the Italian elections next year. But has Britain’s vote to leave the EU shored up support for the Union among the general public in the EU27?

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/09/27/juncker-euroscepticism-and-the-guinea-pig-how-other-europeans-assess-the-dangers-of-leaving-the-eu/

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

For something that will probably never happen apparently, why is it so well-discussed and by so many?

It's chatter. Same as the discussions about ever closer integration - fun to speculate but will probably go nowhere. Ask this chap from yesterday.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Because Macron has been the one pushing for a more-integrated Europe - which is instead looking in many ways less likely.

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Turkey

The chances of Turkey joining the EU were always slim. Right now they're non-existent.

Looking at current immigration data we can probably add the idea that we need to leave the EU to reduce immigration to the list of pork pies.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's chatter. Same as the discussions about ever closer integration - fun to speculate but will probably go nowhere. .......

Chatter?
Ah, like that from the EU concerning refugees; migration; the economy; employment; inequality etc. etc.
Understood.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

This just out from Politico suggests the possibility of a clash ahead:
"EU lawmakers prepare critical resolution on Brexit"

The European Parliament has shown it is willing to play ‘bad cop’ in the Brexit talks.

The draft resolution, drawn up by the Parliament’s political groups, will be discussed on Thursday at the Conference of Presidents, the main decision-making body in the assembly. The text, which is subject to change, will then be voted on by MEPs next week in the Strasbourg plenary session.

http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-lawmakers-prepare-critical-resolution-on-brexit/

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

The Harsh reality of world trade.

Welcome to the real world. When has it ever been any different? Dog eats dog as they say. Rather than be continually soft. Grow some.......

Thank goodness others have though.

Boeing's trade dispute with Bombardier "could jeopardise" its defence contracts with the UK government, the UK's defence secretary has warned.

System

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Welcome to the real world. When has it ever been any different? Dog eats dog as they say. Rather than be continually soft. Grow some.......

Thank goodness others have though.

Boeing's trade dispute with Bombardier "could jeopardise" its defence contracts with the UK government, the UK's defence secretary has warned.

Perhaps but it would be naive to think that was an entirely apolitical statement given the nature of the government's reliance on the DUP.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

Sorry. This is already on the list of leave's scary predictions of things that would happen but probably won't.

Macron may as well been talking to himself.

EU army, Turkey joining the EU, ever closer integration - the list gets longer.

Have you been asleep? Macron was merely repeating what Juncker, Schulz and others have been saying for a couple of years.

The army probably won't happen. Can you imagine how they might respond to an attack? Call a summit of the 27, spend a few weeks debating it and then surrender. Or they might invade Poland for disobeying them.

cogito

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

This just out from Politico suggests the possibility of a clash ahead:
"EU lawmakers prepare critical resolution on Brexit"





http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-lawmakers-prepare-critical-resolution-on-brexit/

Don't forget that the EU parliament must vote unanimously in favour of whatever deal is agreed between them and the UK. Verhofstadt would like nothing better than to ensure that there was no deal.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

cogito wrote: »

Don't forget that the EU parliament must vote unanimously in favour of whatever deal is agreed between them and the UK. Verhofstadt would like nothing better than to ensure that there was no deal.

I have indeed pointed that unanimous vote necessity on many occasions.
The propensity for certain senior EU politicos to shoot themselves in the foot in order to maintain their own standing at such potentially great cost to those that they are meant to represent never ceases to amaze me, frankly.
How so many can maintain a pro-EU stance when that is so evident is beyond logical comprehension.