Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

Enterprise_1701C

Theophile wrote: »

Wake me up when there's a EU army or when each and every EU member state is forced into the Euro.
Jeez....why are you guys still falling for this scaremongering?

Joining the Euro has been part of the Articles of Accession since 2004.

Have a look at this http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2015/565883/EPRS_BRI(2015)565883_EN.pdf

The eu has not finished wrecking the economies of everyone bar Germany yet, this is designed to force the countries to stay within the eu.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

How do you know the insecurities are non-existent?

So provide proof* that they exist.
*Proof: fact; evidence and not hearsay or rumour.

You appear to have difficulty with the concept of how a team works, as in our Government and the team effort regarding Brexit.
Maybe in your world a football team has only one player allowed to shoot at the goal?
Do you for example consider it "insecurity" when Merkel, Macron and others "intervene" with statements of their plans for the EU rather than say Juncker or Tusk?
:whistle:

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

So provide proof* that they exist.
*Proof: fact; evidence and not hearsay or rumour.

It's a discussion forum and I'm discussing my opinion. I think something is 'up' - May is having to intervene directly, there's a select committee investigating the non-progress of negotiations and Hammond is treading directly on Davis' toes.

I don't know what the 'up' is. Looks to me like the hard brexiters are losing the argument in government. One things for sure May will be walking a tightrope when she delivers this big deal of a speech on the 22nd because those same brexiters will be waiting to pounce. They want a hard brexit, WTO terms and a leadership campaign and Tory in-fighting would deliver that.

Theophile

Conrad wrote: »

What are you going to say when you realise we are prospering like billyo quite soon?

What are you going to say when you realise we aren't?
Blame the EU? Blame the Remoaners?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/uk-economy-john-lewis-next-dunelm-retail-slowdown-consumer-spending-brexit-growth-gdp-2017-9

Major UK retailers John Lewis and Next became the latest shops to warn of a slowdown in consumer spending on Thursday, in yet another sign of a serious slowdown in household spending that could be disastrous for the UK economy.

stator

Remoaners still going on about money. None of them care about sovereignty or freedom. All they want is their cheap european holidays. Completely disconnected from the reality of the rest of the UK

Boredatwrork

The moment anyone uses the worrds hard or soft in regards to Brexit, I start to sigh.

What is hard Brexit, what is soft Brexit?

From what I can gather Hard Brexit, just means what most people consider Brexit (i.e. leaving the single market, end of freedom of movement etc etc). By contrast soft brexit appears to be, telling the country we have left but making no actual changes. Can anyone actually advise what soft brexit is supposed to look like.

System

Boredatwrork wrote: »

The moment anyone uses the worrds hard or soft in regards to Brexit, I start to sigh.

What is hard Brexit, what is soft Brexit?

From what I can gather Hard Brexit, just means what most people consider Brexit (i.e. leaving the single market, end of freedom of movement etc etc). By contrast soft brexit appears to be, telling the country we have left but making no actual changes. Can anyone actually advise what soft brexit is supposed to look like.

Brexit means only one thing - giving up our membership of the EU.

A hard brexit means leaving the single market, the customs union and without a trade deal in March 2019. A softer brexit would be something that involves a transition (3 - 5 years), a mechanism whereby there remains a uniformity of product standards across the continent. Probably be some sort of concession/ fudge on FOM too.

If it happens that we leave the EU but you're unhappy with how the government have implemented what you wanted brexit to look like you'll have to take up the issue with directly at the ballot box.

Herzlos

I thought everyone wanted a hard brexit now? Why is it becoming unlikely good news?

I still maintain the brexit we get will be pretty soft and make no one happy.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's a discussion forum and I'm discussing my opinion. I think something is 'up' - May is having to intervene directly, there's a select committee investigating the non-progress of negotiations and Hammond is treading directly on Davis' toes.

I don't know what the 'up' is. Looks to me like the hard brexiters are losing the argument in government. One things for sure May will be walking a tightrope when she delivers this big deal of a speech on the 22nd because those same brexiters will be waiting to pounce. They want a hard brexit, WTO terms and a leadership campaign and Tory in-fighting would deliver that.

In which case it might be advisable to say that it is your opinion rather than giving the forum an impression of a statement of fact.
Oh and any evidence of your alleged "select committee investigating the non-progress of negotiations"? Because if there is any I must have missed it. Thank you.

But since we're on opinion and since you've had yours, here's mine:

May has said she will make a Brexit statement which will very probably rile most remainers and the senior Eurocrats whilst Hammond "stirs the pot" in meeting the Visegrad group, keeping the EU's Brexit team on the back foot as they have been ever since before Article 50 was put forward.

The UK's vehement pro-EU/pro-remain protagonists will continue their efforts to decry every possible angle relating to Brexit that they can and continue with their fabrication of possibilities, just as they have since before our referendum.

Sadly they will continue to largely if not completely ignore not only the facts so far, but the possibility that Brexit will not result in the sky falling on their heads.

The dread of what the contents of TM's forthcoming speech will be is palpable amongst certain of the pro-remain/pro-EU contingency.
That alone is enough to cheer many.

Carl31

Boredatwrork wrote: »

The moment anyone uses the worrds hard or soft in regards to Brexit, I start to sigh.

What is hard Brexit, what is soft Brexit?

From what I can gather Hard Brexit, just means what most people consider Brexit (i.e. leaving the single market, end of freedom of movement etc etc). By contrast soft brexit appears to be, telling the country we have left but making no actual changes. Can anyone actually advise what soft brexit is supposed to look like.

Hard brexit = what people that voted to leave expected when they voted

Soft brexit = something people that don't want to leave made up and hope might happen