Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

If you are referring to me, I am an immigrant not an expat.
Why are foreigners in Britain called immigrants and Brits living in the EU27 called expats?
We are all immigrants or emigrants
Sorry off topic.

Is your French now better than your English because you are indeed an expat, this being an abbreviation of expatriate and the definition of which is:

a person who lives outside their native country.

Now you may indeed also be an emigrant from the UK, that being:

a person who leaves their own country in order to settle permanently in another.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

The following from the FT is interesting and implies that Brexit may be moving forward more than Barmier & co. are suggesting:

The EU is demanding Britain legislate to recognise products such as Champagne, Parmesan and Beaufort cheese after Brexit, in a position paper seeking to protect some of Europe’s most sensitive exports in future trade relations.

The attempt to secure one of the EU’s important offensive trade interests is the first time the European Commission has brought long-term commercial concerns into separation talks. It is likely to come as a welcome surprise to London, which has long pushed for negotiations to cover future terms of trade.

https://www.ft.com/content/f2f002de-9323-11e7-a9e6-11d2f0ebb7f0

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Schauble speaks:

“Brexit was a decision that we think was wrong from every angle,” Schaeuble told a conference in Frankfurt by video link on Wednesday. “But the Britons made it and now we must try to find solutions that will keep the damage to both sides as limited as possible.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-06/schaeuble-tells-u-k-no-free-lunch-in-brexit-talks-with-europe

There's an interesting chart in there too.
But you have to smile; "no free lunch" says Schauble.
Lunch?
Huh, even having water would be a start.
:rotfl:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/09/britains-brexit-negotiators-denied-water-brussels-divorce-talks/

Moby

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/theresa-mays-brexit-plans-disarray-amber-rudd-damian-green-refuse/

Even the Torygraph is turning against her.

Moby

As we are finding out Brexit means we're leaving and to the devil with the consequences. Ireland can burn, the economy can tank, the south of England can turn into a giant lorry park, the NHS can run out of staff, the farmers can go out of business, Britons abroad can lose their right to residence and on and on and on and every day some new problem that has to be faced. But hey, what do we care about any of that or the consequences for people's lives when all we have to do is turn round and walk out of the EU. BREXIT IS NOT SIMPLE IT IS MIND NUMBINGLY COMPLEX.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/06/britain-must-solve-problem-of-irish-border-post-brexit-say-leaked-eu-papers

System

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Strangely, some English guys I used to work with travelled across Europe in a minibus to build large swathes of Germany and beyond.
Young Germans living in their estates next to these building sites with their minimal expenses had been priced out by these workers - until a new law changed things and around 80,000 British building workers were forced to either return or find work elsewhere. That was not so long ago, either.
Now it seems that at last home-grown employees are to receive priority and it looks as if training, apprenticeships and other means of ensuring the matching of skills to the needs of employers are a step closer.
:T

What goes around comes around.

Were your friends called Nev, Bomber and Wayne by any chance?

Interesting though. What was the law the Germans implemented to force Brits out of the German building sector? How come we need to leave the EU to 'prioritise' home grown employees whereas Germany managed to prioritise their home grown employees inside the EU?

I think you're kidding yourself. Anyone who is unemployed in the UK today is so on a voluntary basis - there will be no great rush into the labour market.

Or is this fond remembrance from pre EU days? Because, if so, the days when you could swan about for a school life and wander into a job the day you left without a certificate to your name have long gone. They're not coming back with or without brexit.

Rusty_Shackleton

On the topic of immigration and unemployment/wages:

Theresa May suppressed up to nine studies that found immigration does not hit UK wages

No doubt there are plenty here who won't hear a word said against their beloved saint Theresa, but it can't be said enough that she is a liar and wholly incompetent. Things like these reports and the research that shows immigrants are net contributors to the exchequer are why the left see racism in most immigration debates: its not racist to debate the merits (or not) of immigration, but if you consistently use arguments that are widely shown to be false, there's clearly an underlying reason for your continued stance, and you've got to wonder why they won't discuss their real reasons.

kabayiri

We won't need mass immigrants in a decade's time, when machines do many mundane jobs.

I'm amazed people can't see and plan for the long term.

The aim of the EU is to increase the GDP per capita of places like Poland and Romania with billions and billions of Euros of investment from the EU.

When this happens the Poles etc will return/choose not to come, because they are pure economic migrants and the marketplace elsewhere will look better.

If you want cheap foreign labour, there are 3 billion people out there on this planet living on less than $3 per day.

simondm

Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »

On the topic of immigration and unemployment/wages:

Theresa May suppressed up to nine studies that found immigration does not hit UK wages
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"Up to 9" but then "it" is referred to in the singular by Cable in the next paragraph, which could be countered by the singular report from the BOE that found it does suppress workers wages.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

We won't need mass immigrants in a decade's time, when machines do many mundane jobs.

I'm amazed people can't see and plan for the long term.
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The problem with this argument is that it has been proven false throughout all of history.

People said the same thing with the industrial revolution, the advent of assembly line manufacturing, and it's been said regularly since the advent of computers.

I remember watching Tomorrow's World as a child and being told that robots would do all the work in the very near future. That was decades ago...

I also remember having near identical conversations on forums almost 10 years ago, where people claimed in a decade we'd have far fewer jobs as they were being automated so rapidly.

And yet today employment has grown to record highs while unemployment and the economically inactive is at near record lows.

What has actually happened throughout history with automation is not that the economy and labour market stays the same, leading to mass unemployment, but the exact opposite where the economy evolves and finds new jobs for all the humans.

There is little reason to believe that this time will be any different.