Boo to new scrappage scheme

motorguy

MatthewAinsworth wrote: »

Also suspicion that car manufacturers don't want cars to last forever

Really? You mean it might be in the manufacturers interests for the car to wear out / become obsolete so they can sell people new ones?

Who'd have thought it!

kmb500

Just marketing rubbish, won't save anyone any money. If you're buying a new car the dealer will likely give you significant reductions anyway. When I was looking at new cars around the £17-20K mark, every dealer for every manufacturer knocked at least £2000 off the RRP, some of them knocked off £3-4K. The car I was trading in was worth next to nothing.


use carwow and you'll get the same discounts etc.


It's all just marketing.

System

Sparks - not going for that job, and others suspect the same

Motorguy - yes but reputation on the other hand, otherwise all cars would have an ecu programmed to self destruct at the end of a typical finance deal

giraffe69

otherwise all cars would have an ecu programmed to self destruct at the end of a typical finance deal

Of course they would! The pills are in the top drawer in the bedroom. Ask nurse for them.

motorguy

MatthewAinsworth wrote: »

Sparks - not going for that job, and others suspect the same

Motorguy - yes but reputation on the other hand, otherwise all cars would have an ecu programmed to self destruct at the end of a typical finance deal

Once they get cars past the age of it being service in a main dealer, not one !!!! do manufacturers give about the car at that point.

By then its probably changed hands a couple of times and the poor schmuck lumbered with some big bill for a turbo, DMF or DPF isnt likely to buy new anyway.

Also the general public are fickle and have short memories.

And likewise its no great coincidence that warranties are typically 3 years and they pitch finance deals at 3 years. That way they get you back in for a new car.

Components arent built for life - as long as the manufacturer gets the car beyond a point whereby they are in any way liable, they dont care.

That is how it has always been. They could build a car to last but its not in their financial interests to do so.

And we consumers just keep consuming....

System

Is the future banger supply now doomed generally I wonder? {If it is to all intents and purposes (can't charge an electric either where I live) I would sooner walk to work (30 mins) than pay or catch the bus (1 hour to work because the stupid bus changes out of town). I would cycle of it weren't for the hills}

Car_54

Even if the cars could be built to last for ever, there comes a point where it becomes uneconomical to keep it running. Some parts (tyres, batteries) inevitably have a finite life, and there must come a point where the cost of replacement is perceived as too high relative to the value of the vehicle.

There is absolutely no incentive for the manufacturers to spend money on extending life, and hence increasing the new price, to benefit a tiny group of punters, few if any of whom will ever buy a new car.

Jonesya

motorguy wrote: »

Once they get cars past the age of it being service in a main dealer, not one !!!! do manufacturers give about the car at that point.

That's not entirely true - where there's a safety issue they have to act, like the on-going airbag recalls.

System

Car 54 - just reputation, if a brand was widely known to fall apart after 5 years you'd get fewer customers because they'd expect fewer years or resale value out of it, manufacturers have to be somewhat cautious about this - scrappage is clever in a way because it ensures a resale "value" even if it is falling apart

Tyres, batteries, etc won't kill a banger, rust, gearbox, clutch and engine problems will

And don't just consider depreciation, consider the "opportunity cost" - the profit you could've made investing the tied up cash - for me this is almost as big a factor

motorguy

Jonesya wrote: »

That's not entirely true - where there's a safety issue they have to act, like the on-going airbag recalls.

They still dont give a !!!! - they only do safety recalls, etc if forced to do so, not because of any sort of sense of duty.